call the number on your screen or go to lifelock.com to try lifeck ptection risk free for a full 60 dayslus get this document shredder free-- but only if you act right now. call the number on your screen now! lou: roger ailes off camera, a fascinating new book about president of fox news and our boss here, a man president obama once called most powerful man in america, we agree with president obama on this. joining me now, author zev thank you for being here. >> glad to be here. lou: how close to true is it? >> this came up with roger went to the white house to christmas matter. he was in the reception line, the day before someone else called him thatn print. he got to the president, obama said, oh, so here is the most powerful man in america, and roger leaned into him and said, mr. president, don't believe that, i stirred that dbus up -- distinguished that bs up myself. lou: which he may have done. >> he probably did. lou: i have had privilege of working for a long time in this business, there is no more feared executive in television news. i would say in television, period. certainly i