lifton, one of the great psychologists of our time who wrote books about the survivors of hiroshima,experienced trauma. and he says there's only one way to get out of this and that is to do what -- who had been the champion of freedom against the communists in czechoslovakia said you have to live in the truth, everyone else has to live with the truth and you have to attach yourself to organizations that are trying to serve the truth. if enough of us do that we might yet see our republic safe. remember what grover cleveland said, that the ship of democracy like any great ship at sea sink from the mutiny of those onboard. throw them out and start putting the ship of democracy in the path of the truth of our experience and we'll get through it, but only if we do that. >> bill moyers, thank you. thank you for being with us. don't go anywhere. rachel maddow is next. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ (vo) thewith every attempt, strto free itself,pider's web. it only becomes more entangled. unaware that an exhilarating escape is just within reach.