more airlines say they can no longer survive without state financial aid leading german airline lifton's is already in negotiations with 9000000000 euros under discussion a leisure flyer khon door been pulled from the brink with a 550000000 euro government loan and scandinavian airline as a yes has received a credit guarantee from its main stakeholders sweden and denmark air france killem also says it cannot survive without government. well for more on this our financial correspondent chelsea delaney joins me now from frankfurt chelsea many are expecting airlines to be at least partially nationalized what could that mean for the industry of governments were to acquire big stakes. well there are a couple different scenarios that we're seeing play out across the airline industry right now the 1st and really the simplest solution in terms of state aid is loan packages so this is really the preferred route for a lot of airlines and that's how a lot of these rescue packages have been structured the 10000000000 euros that have gone to air france callebaut the contour bailout this is all being