gutierrez is now a lame duck as is raul labrador and ileana ross lightman. immigration is more and more cnet as the national security issue, and base more, more on immigrants from muslim countries. and even the daca kids have gotten so aggressive, they shouted down pelosi. it's not a good image. so what do you see as the leverage to get them legalize completely? and to even shut down the government. i don't see it. >> good thing i'm an optimist. i would say this. [inaudible] >> yeah. i firmly believe, and i've said this for many years as a member of congress and out as an attorney general, that i believe the daca agreements are here to stay piccadilly they will be some of our greatest leaders in the future. because they have been tested. for them to get out, and another saying, undocumented and unafraid. that's powerful. because they put everything on the line. by the way they used to shout at me, too. [inaudible] >> but you know what? that's the american way. that's what i love about them so much is that they're willing to get out and say i'm going to fight