commissioner liguana. >> i concur. i think we need more data. it seems premature to move forward without understanding what we're compensating for, what is the cost? it's difficult to advocate for something -- but, i mean, we've got a rough draft. it's something to work for, but we've got to flush it out, knowing that we've at least loaded one chamber. >> perhaps there might be, to commissioner zouzounis's point, a way to send a smoke signal to put the city on notice that, look, you know, if you're going to put out that much harm, you know, then there's, like, a second shoe that might

commissioner liguana. >> i concur. i think we need more data. it seems premature to move forward without understanding what we're compensating for, what is the cost? it's difficult to advocate for something -- but, i mean, we've got a rough draft. it's something to work for, but we've got to flush it out, knowing that we've at least loaded one chamber. >> perhaps there might be, to commissioner zouzounis's point, a way to send a smoke signal to put the city on notice that, look, you know, if you're going to put out that much harm, you know, then there's, like, a second shoe that might drop. >> it's in the agenda and the record, and if we table it, it's tabling it until further -- >> okay. >> and the commission adopted a motion in september to cover many of these items? so not a resolution that was sent to the board of supervisors, but i do hear what you're saying. we're just working to fulfill the request from the last meeting to have a resolution on those items, but i do think it's important to sort of understand the outcome of the two new piec

. >> commissioner liguana. >> thank you, supervisor, for coming in. i think we all understand and appreciate what a difficult problem this is. as a parent of high school-aged student, this is very real and prevalent in my life and something i am also concerned about. looking at your legislation, are you aware of any source where youth are acquiring e-cigarettes? are they getting it from the stores or are they getting it from somewhere else? >> supervisor walton: well, there's studies that talk about youth getting this from the stores. there's studies that talk about youth possibly getting those from adults, family and community. there's studies about how e-cigarettes end up in the hands of youth and there are a variety of way that these studies have shown. but the reality is if we're not selling these in our stores, it makes it less accessible not only to youth and young people but also to adults. we have to remember this has not been deemed a safe product. we know that nicotine is harmful. we know that cigarettes and nicotine kills 800,000-plus peopl