many multinationals like hp, intel, cisco, and chevron are doing well in china. they're making money in china. at the same time, as the close relationship is going on, many chinese companies are working in san francisco in california. i would like to name a few. the tsl, ciuts, just to name a few. these are successful chinese companies working here. as the american companies in china, the chinese companies working in california in san francisco are also making contributions to job creation and the development of the economy in local areas. we're thinking these are very good signs. as the previous speakers mentioned, we paid a visit to the united states last february. governor brown proposed that we set up a working group for the u.s., a state, and china provinces to cooperate. we call this a working group, a joint working group of provinces and the states. at that time, the vice president made a very good, very positive response for the proposal. after the vice-president returned to china, we worked very hard on the proposal and my visit this time is to further t

like mesh. do you live center hp >> i reside here. craig: near los angeles? >> yeah. craig: do you go to that big supermarket in west hollywood? >> actually i feel like i'm in mordor. this is east of where -- i usually live west. craig: as said, i'm a gryffindor. i don't know what you're talking about. occasionally that -- over there give massachusetts whomp. -- me a whomp. do you want an apple? >> what will happen if it eat it? craig: why don't you eat it and find out. craig: rhona mitra. we'll be right back. >> how the hell did they get a track on you? >> i don't know. they could have got one of you, michael. >> we sweep this place every day. we are clean. michael, you need to rest. >> that's not true. we need to find his men and take them all auto. >> i will decide who the target is and when you are fit for duty. >> yes, ma'am. >> it come be to build a bomb. we need to find out exactly what he is planning and shove it down fast. [ dollar ] that's me -- l50858544p. but i'm not just a number. i have a purpose -- a higher purpose. [ muffled ] have some respect! not goo

like looking at hp but not being interest there and giving us advice.at helpful unless you're in the middle of it. >> there is tonight's money matters, wall street give as proveal to a plan to boost the european economy. the dow jones shot up by more than 244 points. and today european central bank agreed to buy unlimit amount of bonds from country as agreeing to strict economic reforms. and there is a private equity firm thain vested in solyndra stands to lose $900 million or so but will be able to cut their tax bill by more than $300 million. and albert son's announced plans to close more than two dozen stores. and says the stores have under performed and will be shuttered. >> and. >> today, amazon with the second generation of the popular kindel fire. and you might just call it the kindel fire fail. the ceo proudly held up not one, but two tablet devices. one is a sequel to the rinl nal kindel fire. the other is a nine inch competitor to the ipad. both among cheapest you can buy. >> this is i think going to help them in the long run. >> gadget.com sa

he downgraded hp to sell today and you already had like a middle performance. do you agree with that, dan niles? is that why you downgraded? >> it's a three-prong piece. we think the average age will be from around 3.5 now. you'll notice very little dinners going forward when you look at these browser technologies and you'll use your tablet and smartphone to do most of your stuff. >> so really old pcs, 9 years old. >> we think they're going to re-enter the tablet market and we expect them to waste another $5 billion to $10 billion to re-enter that market. and their strategy will be to copy apple designs because that's worked for everyone else. and the last point is, the surfaces business and the printing business are two that are in difficulty. that is the one that they went to court with oracle on. and printing, frankly, anybody that gets tablets, printing going goes down anywhere near 25% to 75%. so it's a crazily bad number for anybody on that front, as well. >> your price target is only $14. it sounds like you would short this company. are you prohibited fr

they say ibm will continue to outexecute competitors like del and hp and gain shares.sagree? >> disagree. there are a number of reasons. part of the reason is currency issues are out of control. we still see problems with the euro and u.s. and don't think that cured its problem with ibm. the secondary concern is bichl is 11% of diamond's earthquakes tf. if you do have some macro event where the markets sell off it will impact ibm more than competitors not in so many indices. >> quickly, is hp and dell the computer sect now? they don't make computers now. >> that's a tough sell. if it was 1998. >> take a look at the shares the past month. they are up better than 25% on gamestop. agreed or disagree? >> undecided, throw a little wrench in there. not against the rationale. it was up 25% this month after being down 25% coming into it. it's flat over a three month period. the whole rationale for the upgrade is more games are coming out and more titles are coming out. for that to really work, why don't you buy the component. they have a licensing agreement with the largest se

and companies like dell and hp don't have good offerings in that territory.soft is in that same category. pc isn't going away. but its importance and rate of growth is going to diminish in the future relative to smartphones as well as tablets. >> the view on hp, on dell, on microsoft, they're all sort of different threads of the same string in terms of a thesis, dan. is there a short in any of them or is it too soon and to uncertain to do that? >> no. i've been short several of them. over a period of time. and the bigger problem is it's related to the prior comment. are pcs going away? they're not going away. but thinking about it from a secular standpoint, this move to tablets and smartphones -- smartphones are going to be the only "access" device for the internet that some people will ever own in third world countries. they're not going to own a pc. they're going to own a smartphone because it's mobile, it's small, it's cheaper, et cetera. and so when you look at these names -- i'm not worried about it this quarter or end of the year thing. i'm looking out

looks like all is quiet by the hp pavilion in san jose.e'll have a look at that forecast coming up. >> this morning a number of immigrant communities call for the boycott of the largest latino grocery chain. it began checking the immigration status of hires through e-verify a few weeks ago. it's used to identify fake names and social security numbers. the union representing the chain's workers is urging all customers to boycott the 21 stores across the bay area and central valley. 18 statement the company tried to reassure workers saying it's very important you know this program will only impact new hires, mi pueblo is proud to serve its diverse communities. >> amazon is boosting its presence in the tablet market with a new kindle fire. taking a shot at apple with the 7-inch tablet for $159. it's $40 less than the original kindle fire. and more importantly $200 cheaper than the ipad. the tablet starts shipping next friday. it probably won't make a lot of money on the devices instead it is counting on profits from content purchases. >> amaz

likely moving. we'll give you an update if anything unexpected is there. an accident here. minor fender bender. still getting details from cnn hpno slowing at the scene. 101 across the gold be gate, the bridge itself moves smoothly. that fog likely to touch all along coast. back to you. >> we have new pictures coming in from nasa that shows the deepest corners of the universe. the space agency combined a decade's worth of hobble space telescope images to create a picture of the universe. the galaxies are so far away. the light being emitted is only one ten billionth of the brightness of what i can actually see. >> i was thinking of star trek, spash space, the final frontier. >>> west nile continues to cause some trouble this time in san francisco. >> people in the south bay getting ready to take to streets to protest a popular supermarket chain. >>> good morning. we're live on the pa insurance in sa where parents are seek answers from the police and the school after a 9-year-old girl is abducted from an elementary school here. that story coming up. >>> and sheriff deputies in al meet that county have a mystery after a shootout

hp pavilion. >> it gets super busy and when they went into the finals we were like swamped in here, it was likeacked. >> definitely for all the restaurants, infinity sushi, gip polely -- they are all going to feel it because this neighborhood during the middle of the week is dead. >> and they walk the star players there signing with hockey leagues with russia and europe during the lock out. >>> in washington d.c., the giant panda has finally given birth to a cub from knife failed -- five failed pregnancies. she welcomed her cub and it was the product of artificial inn sent nation. she will check the cub after the mother has had time to bond with it and she will not eat or drink or come out of her den for at least a week. >>> demonstrators are observing one year since the movement began. we will also explore how the protests have changed the country and how they have not. thank you for trusting ktvu channel 2 morning news. we'll see how the news breaks. we are here on www.ktvu.com and also on mobile www.ktvu.com. s more than a leading whitening toothpaste. so with colgate optic white, all you ne

like san bruno from happening. >>> right now we give you a live look outside. that is the hp pavilion, the home of the san jose sharks. they're actually on ice with that work stoppage going on. wish we had better news on this monday, september 24th. this is "today in the bay." >>> it is 4:30. good monday morning. i'm jon kelley. >> good morning. we'll help you start your morning by welcoming back meteorologist christina loren fresh off vacation. welcome back. >> hey, good morning to you. yes, it's the first official week of fall and we're starting out with pretty comfortable temperatures. 56 in livermore, 53 at san francisco and a crisp 48 up in santa rosa headed toward a pretty comfortable start toward the workweek and then temperatures soar. lots to talk about in your full forecast. before we get to that point, mike has a serious accident you need to know about. >> yeah, yeah, folks, good morning to you. unfortunately i have to start with horrible news. the part i hate is reporting a deadly accident here in pleasanton. we do have a reporter heading out to 680 southbound. th

hp says it wants to jump back in, acquiring palm two years ago and then, dropped out of the market. ah's ceo was asked on fox business network if she likes the maker of the black berry to help accelerate entry into smart phone autos we've got to try to create our own device. >> that suggests hp might use web os operating system putting it in competition with apple's ios and google's android. >> i don't know if there is room for a fourth brand. >> and we're going wait and see there is apple and there is research in motion in, trouble. >> the market could use another leader and going to come in to take control. hp could be that company. the smart phone would have to be cool. many give employees a choice of models or let them use their own. >> if there is a clunky phone for work stuff, and... they've got a cool down they bought, work goes into the drawer and cool phone back in the pocket. >> hp has an image of a supplier of computers and printers to business. >> i kind of see this computers and printers so that is odd. i see to try it and there is apple that likes to call this post pc era. with this announcement it's clear smart phones as p

will we see an hp's smart phone to grab attention? >> in this end i would like provide all away from the most fabulous work stations and we took over the no. one position from apple from desktops to laptops to tablets and convertibles but we did take the detour into smart phones. my mantra is better right than faster we should be there. we are working to make sure when we do this it will be the right thing for a hewlett-packard and we will be successful. liz: not if but when from hewlett-packard? >> we have to offer a smart phone because in many countries that is your first computing device. there are countries where people may never of a tablet or a pc above do everything on the smart phone. we are a competing company and have to take advantage of that. liz: into a hole area, would you ever license it out? >> what we decided to do with the operating system that was embedded in palm and the framework that allows developers to develop one application and rolled across operating systems we have an open source which means everyone can use it. part of a developer co

>>reporter: hp will be expand ing into smart phones at the same time it's laying off 29,000 employees. it is apple that like to call this the post p c era. with whitman announcement it's clear the are smart phone as part of the future product mix for hp. this is 7 news. >>> we have lovely weekend in store for us. a little warmer tomorrow even spencer. >> that's true. is in and warm from coast to the inland area and that will probably be the last of this kind of warmth. but it's back. around the end of next week. leif view from the high definition the which camera with we. sutro. yes. looking out over san francisco. lovely view. looking at the bay bridge. downtown san francisco. clear skies over the bay. of the inland area and along some coastal stretches as well. look at live doppler 7 hd see we have a little fog up against some parts of the coast license. clear nature. mild one in most locations. cooling down here in the city right now. 56 degrees in san francisco and of course half man bay 55 but we have got 60's just about everywhere else. 57 at santa rosa then mild 71 in antioch and these are our highli

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that doesn't sound like a big jump until you realize that's 2,000 more people out of work. hpat change in paperwork filed as the security and exchange commission opened for work this washington this morning. the documents also say much of the planned job cuts haven't occurred yet. hp has only made about 8% of the layoffs and early retirements planned so far. >>> hewlett-packard is up ever so slightly. stocks do tend to go up when layoffs are announced. the dow is down about 30 points this morning. >>> the fight in afghanistan, u.s. troops joined by french, german, british, australian soldiers. an australian newspaper reports the australian soldiers have been getting facebook friend requests from very attractive young women who may be in reality taliban. the australian military is going to clamp down and explain to the soldiers why it's important not to explain to any pretty girl where your troops are located or how many of them you are. >> do not judge a book by its cover. thanks so much. >>> 6:57 right now. let's get one final check with christina loren. >> good monday mornin

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like that. >> it's a fun, social atmosphere. without it, it's just kind of just another day. >> reporter: now, not only will all of those downtown businesses suffer, but so will all of the hp pavilion employees and vendors who work during the hockey games. training camp was supposed to start on the 21st of this month with opening day being on october 11th. there was no bargaining between the two sides today so there's really nothing to stop a lockout from happening. live in san jose, nbc bay area news. >> shocking that it's the fourth time. thank you very much. >>> next at 5:00, a lifeline for homeless veterans where vets can get help with everything from free hair cuts to hot meals. >>> and it is a wine-making first in the bay area. why a rabbi from the east coast traveled west to make the next jewish holiday an even more festive one. >>> and good evening from the nbc bay area weather center. this evening another warm day across the bay area. hang on. change is on the way. we're getting rid of the 90s that reached up in fairfield today. and also that marine layer starting to weaken. we'll break down your sunday forecast after this. >>> tent city popped up in the bay area.

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like a unified inbox. that's cool stuff. i'm worried because palm had awesome things too with web-os. what happened? hphem and shut it down. now hp is doubling back saying they need to have a mobile operating system. i don't know that r.i.m. is on the right way here. it's terrible for them to be pushing it to 2013. that's after the holiday season. everyone is focused on the iphone 5. it's a dangerous move. >> you know what, dan? we talk about some of these features that we're showing on our screen right now, why companies still love it. is that enough to save r.i.m.? those six things. >> i don't think it is. what companies like about it is the instant on, is the security of the system, is they have a lot of their enterprise around the globe built on that blackberry network. they're starting to come off. where they're having the growth, you know, in the east, where it's not really enterprise customers, but it's their low users, they're losing their base. they started to lose their base when we had the tribeca moms going to the apple. now they lost those folks. we moved to connecticut. on my train ride e

hp labs in palo alto for this story. liz? liz: one of the things we do in "3 days in the valley" not only profile the bigwigs like meg whitmanard but startups. box.com is the perfect example. i want to introduce you to the founder and ceo. his name is aaron leave very. when i look how much money you got in investment, 280 million people in funding. that says the people in the valley think you have a good deal. what is box.com? explain to our viewers? >> sure we've been fortunate to have investors like marc andreessen and, so, some institutions and firms that really have invested in a lot of the future of interprize software an technology. what we do at box we help businesses manage and store and share their data anywhere from any device and with anyone. we have about 13 million users on the platform. about 92% of the fortune 500 users use box in some way. we're really trying to power the next generation of businesses that will do marketing and sharing their date. liz: they have a list of customers anywhere from proctor & gamble to stanford university but how do you make your money? >> the business model is pretty straightfor

hp. take the pain out of arthritis. >>> now to some of the other crucial stories we care about today we're we're focusing our reporting on the front lines. tonight focusing on chicago. students likelyill be back in school on monday. union president karen lewis cautions the strike isn't over, they're going to be meeting on sunday to draft an agreement and vote on whether to suspend the strike. this comes as the district's more than 350,000 students have been out of school for five days. republican senator jim demint speaking a the a values voter summit today did not back down from a joke about those on strike. >> i was reading another story about a distant place where thugs had put 400,000 children out in the streets. then i realized that was a story about the chicago teachers strike. >> he released a statement saying he was referring to the mob bosses when he referred to thugs. >> and china's vice president has been missing for almost two weeks. reuters reports he may appear tomorrow. he's china's next likely leader. he's been out of the public eye, missing meetings, including one with hillary clinton earlier this month. incredible and bizarre. earlier when i was speaking to john h

hp. take the pain out of arthritis. >>> joining me is dan balz, chief correspondent for "the washington post" and chief white house correspondent jessica yellin. we would likego through step by step what happened and jessica has, and i have not seen it, but a great documentary sort of tracking president obama's story and one of the things that -- i don't know what the question was, but it went to the exact same thing like how is it going to be any different in a second term than a first term if the mix is still the same, and here is what the president said. >> my hope is that getting past this election, people will have an opportunity to maybe step back and say, you know what, the differences that divide us are not as important as the common bonds that we have as americans, and some of that i'm sure will require additional effort on my part, and hopefully we will see more effort on the other side as well. >> but isn't that really the question. we have both candidates running around saying, here is my budget and here is my plan and yet they have a whole other branch to work with, and it has not worked out that well this time around, and we are looking at an

likely voters show the president with a 52- 46% advantage. that is a 4% bounce for the president. romney saw a 1% bounce when they were both tied at 48% in that same poll. >> hp revealed today plans to cut two thirds more jobs than first announced. they said in a filing it'll cuts 29,000 jobs by october 2014. that's more than the 27,000 announce in may. there is no explanation for the increase. hp said in may it expects some of them to come through in early are tirement. on wall streets stocks slipped ahead of a key meeting this week. the dow dropped 52, led by atropa in apple. weaker than expected manufacturing data from china pushed today's slide. >>> in 30 minutes tens of thousands of schoolteachers walk off the job. why it's getting so much attention on the presidential campaign trail. >> bay area air quality managers are now admitting mistakes were made in warning the public about chevron fire. they held a meeting today to talk about that fire that broke out on august 6th in richmond. they say they were working on an exbanded system of air monitoring and new rules on what pollution information oil refineries must report to the public. >> community and th

hp. take the pain out of arthritis. >>> working out in central park is the best time of the day for me. it gives me an opportunity to test myself. you feel likeanything. back in 1965, i got hit by a car, and i ended up losing my leg. i didn't see it as holding me back. it just wasn't a big issue. in 1976, i became the first amputee to run the new york city marathon. it was probably the best day of my life. and i just felt this joy can be shared with others. i'm dick traum, and i help people with disabilities achieve their potential through sports. how many people here are doing the new york city marathon? virtually everybody who is a member of achylles has a vulnerability. people come to us and we match them with a guide. >> he just did 16 miles! >> the atmosphere is social, there is jokes and laughter. it truly is a family. >> i had a stroke in 1980, when i started, i could only walk one post to another post. and now i did 20 new york city marathons. he helped me realize i can do anything in my life many. >> we change the way people rc

likely voters show the president with a 52- 46% advantage. that is a 4% bounce for the president. romney saw a 1% bounce when they were both tied at 48% in that same poll. >> hp revealed today plans to cut two thirds more jobs than first announced. they said in a filing it'll cuts 29,000 jobs by october 2014. that's more than the 27,000 announce in may. there is no explanation for the increase. hp said in may it expects some of them to come through in early are tirement. on wall streets stocks slipped ahead of a key meeting this week. the dow dropped 52, led by atropa in apple. weaker than expected manufacturing data from china pushed today's slide. >>> in 30 minutes tens of thousands of schoolteachers walk off the job. why it's getting so much attention on the presidential campaign trail. >> bay area air quality managers are now admitting mistakes were made in warning the public about chevron fire. they held a meeting today to talk about that fire that broke out on august 6th in richmond. they say they were working on an exbanded system of air monitoring and new rules on what pollution information oil refineries must report to the public. >> community and th

>> guest: there's people like me who are white, middle-class people and a lot of people in this town who work for hpat, lsi advanced energy and you think you're doing really good and everything saw hunky-dory. with any meet their kids and find out both parents are working and barely making it. >> host: cornell west. >> guest: brother john has a very, very powerful point. the middle-class is strapping into ranks of the poor. once make it $150,000 and now in their cars, god bless you. they love jobs over which they had no control. plus their jobs, home, health care and found themselves on the streets. i think most importantly it's a matter of recognizing that there is a growing group called the working poor. and you would think it be a society where more and more working people. we spent time talking about the minimum wage. the working poor are engaged in unbelievable sacrifice and still rescuing the poverty. poor people are lazy and that's part of the stereotype of the part of demonizing of poor people and marginalizing and dehumanizing of poor people. >> host: and from ohio e-mails we have shipped t

>> guest: because there's people like me who are white middle class people, and there's a lot of people who work for hpsi, advanced energy, and you'd think they're doing really good and they're really, you know, everything's all hunky-dory. well, then you meet their kids, and you find out both parents are working, and they're barely making it. >> host: cornel west. >> guest: brother john has a very, very powerful point that on our tour we've seen middle class dropping into the ranks of the poor. once making $150,000, now living in their cars. they lost jobs -- god bless you -- they lost jobs over which they had no control. they lost their jobs, lost their home, lost their health care and found themselves on the streets. i think most importantly it's a matter of recognizing that there is a growing group called the working poor, and you would think it would be oxymoronic in a prosperous society. but more and more working poor. one reason why we spend so much time talking about the minimum wage and the increase of the minimum wage. but the working poor are people who are engaged in the unbelievable sacrif