people likeding come to the trainings and saw the supervisors and staff coming to the groups, but we didn't see the partners in upper management coming in so we talked with barb raw and we looked at how can we train some of the senior executive staff that report to her on racial humillty. last year we had a training with a man named, kenneth hardy who is a professor at [inaudible] university and he wrote a proposal to look at how to train the senior staff, so now we have about 60-70 pepal being trained. we have the [inaudible] coming up next week. these are people cross the department. we have 32 cohorts with 25-30 people each and they meet 4 time said to do intensive work on issues around race. we are also-we found this has been very helpful in a number of ways because there have been a lot of conversations across the department with managers around issues that x up with diversity so this is a way we addressed that. each of the trainings we had, one looked at the dynamic of racial oppression, the development of a racial informed lens, recognizing and working with racial oppression a

the house pretty much seeded us the right to write the bill and if they likeded it, they'd adopt it, but i wasn't making any progress following normal procedures. it was only when the thing wu not moving at all that i came up with this idea of half a dozen of us getting together in secret and in this group we had, four republicans, three democrats. we had an agreement. if any four or us could agree on something, it would be put in the chairman's mark. i recall no vote. four democrats, three democrats. i recall a number of those where i was on the three side of the vote, but we had that agreement. but it wasn't planned nothing worked, but yet, the circumstance was there to make something work and that's how it happened. i don't know if the circumstances here. you feel it. you don't plan for it. it arrives. i'm not sure how to make it arrive. >> i'm trying to get that feeling. >> senator harper, you're next. >> thank you, mr. chairman. to chairman packwood, my friend bill bradley, it's great to see you. i was talking with brian sealander the other day, whom you graciously sent to me se