. >> to see people likemandy, they become these really interesting characters.he most interesting characters. >> it is interesting to watch how this extraordinarily progressive revolution is happening in television. the actors they have chosen to play these incredible, iconic parts -- characters were antiheroes. you think back to the days of television when network thought that all the characters had to be likable. they have to be good their job. you do not want to make anyone angry. now the audience wants that. they want walter white. is this the last season of "house of cards"? i hope not. if there were any dream situation where i could have the kind of collaborative experience that i want to have an older directors will come on, and the cast, it is so much fun. i am heavily involved in it. we all grapple with it and talk about it and if it will stop i have an idea, and he says it is terrible, but that led me to this idea. there is a remarkable journey that we are all on. the most fun part about it -- there are so many things i do not know yet. there's so much