>> guest: never consulted with the likud party, or any organization of the likud party. c-span: if you type in -- go to google and type in "richard perle" and "likud party," bingo, all over the place. >> guest: sure. c-span: where did it start, then? >> guest: i don't know where it started. it's false. i know where the labeling me "the prince of darkness" started. it started with a case of mistaken identity. many years ago when i was a young senate staffer in my 20s, a british reporter wrote a profile. i think he wanted to write about a senate staffer and he chose me. and as he did his research, he talked to people who knew me. one of whom was dennis healy, former defense minister, former deputy prime minister in britain. and dennis healy, confusing me with bob novak, syndicated columnist, said to this reporter, well, in washington, perle's known as the prince of darkness. of course, it wasn't true. nobody had ever called me the prince of darkness. but once he wrote that story and somebody subsequently wrote a story about me and went to the clippings and repeated it, tha

katima was never centrist party it was just a fraction of the likud. it was the same faces, similar faces, just was a new arrangement. musical arrangement, conducted by sharon who was the lover of classical music so it wasn't something new. i came into the arena with, we had 19 parliament members. all of them are new. all of them, all 19. we didn't have one -- >> new to politics. >> new to politics and government. we didn't have a single professional politician. we still don't have a single professional politic politics-- politician in our party because we felt if you want to talk new, make sure this is really new. so we had people with a lot of experience, educational, so on, so forth, mayors, people who did, you know, who put boots on the ground in several fields of expertise but no one was, you know, moving from another party or we didn't steal anyone. and it worked for us. and it allows us, there was nothing opportunist about the way this party was created. >> so once you're elected, and you have 19 members. your part has 19 members of the knesset,

. >> rose: and they're all until the likud party. >> and part of the likud party and other right wingrties. but before we decided to relaunch the investigation, netanyahu needed to make a choice. what can build, as you said, what can build trust between us and the palestinians. and his choice was quite a difficult one. the choice was not to free settlements but the choice was to release terrorists that killed israeliÑi citizens before the oslo agreement. and i'm sure that you know that now in israel the politicians and people are calling netanyahu not to release prisoners because we have two soldiers who were killed in the last few days by palestinians so he made another decision in order to create trust between him a and abu mazen knowing this is something really important for abu mazen and what i would like that ask-- and this is what i asked the other world and the sber national community-- i mean, those of you believing that settlements doesn't help it's against this, it's against international law, we have a few months ahead. if you focus on some the activities we will miss the o

by the likud party and you'll recall that it was under a government that israel was supporting iran during the iran iraq war. and the notion that israel itself may make some strategic reassessments of its own i think is is not a fantastic one and indeed you're getting a lot of murmurs certainly from the israeli national security establishment now that the deal that people think may in fact be quite doable with iran that is strict limits on their enrichment capabilities that would make it impossible for them to move to a nuclear weapon within one to two years is a quote reasonable unquote solution it may not be the perfect but it's a reasonable solution with which israel could live so it may be that you'll see israel depending on how these negotiations go moving in a somewhat different direction than it has over the last fifteen twenty years i mean i think there is a lot in motion in the middle east and it's very difficult to predict what will happen. for example predicting that the iran u.s. negotiations will go nowhere i think they may be i think the chances are somewhat better than that