message is that they should self-deport and leave now and then come back the right way. >> maurice: lilia lucianoom san ysidro california. so, lilia, how else have they been able to get these numbers down so dramatically low? >> reporter: maurice, i'm going to tell you something that i heard today from an immigration attorney dealing with all kinds of cases, just trump being in the office is deterrence enough. but there have been dozens of policies and actions from the trump administration, from trying to stop refugee resettlement, to ending the appointment that tens of thousands people had to make their case for asylum, to ending visa programs, parole, and the impact is felt throughout the hemisphere. last week, i heard from a panamanian government official who told me that now, their country is dealing with reverse migration, people heading back down south from those who historically had tried to head up north to the united states. >> john: lilia luciano on the border for us, thank you. >> maurice: a winter storm brought blizzard conditions to the upper midwest. driving was extremely hazardous.

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