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. >> well, lilly ledbetter, i want you to get into this.erally, i know you're not an expert on this, but a case where the republican party for whatever reason is pushing very hard here to i think make having an abortion, also certainly not a joyful experience for anyone, to make it even less so, and make it something i would think, putting a burden on a woman, forcing her through a new procedure on top of ones she is already going through. what do you think's going on here? you've been through all these fights, you're a pioneer. >> well, i tell you chris, you've hit the nail on the head. this is a war on women, and women across this nation i hope are waking up and listening to what's being said by the republican party, and this is too much control over the women's lives and to say that they have in their life because this is not right in this country, and i'll date myself. i go way back. i remember when roe versus wade was passed into law. i remember young women who needed abortion and could not get one. they would have to use other means,

it's a hot topic didn't stop until it was law, lilly ledbetter fair pay act.ls it in her book, "grace and grid." also have allyson schwartz from pennsylvania. it is not her fault, this is state legislature, she's a national legislator, women have to have ultrasound before abortion. welcome to you both. i don't know where to start. let's start in pennsylvania. there are two measures. let me go with congresswoman schwartz. try to explain to us. you're opposed to it, i assume you are. why are republicans in harrisburg, pennsylvania diddling around with this. ultrasound requirements 40 years after roe versus wade. isn't this another way to punish those having abortion? >> i can't speak to motivation of legislators speaking for this in harrisburg or the governor supporting it. really was pretty offensive when he said look, women can just look the other way when this invasive procedure and unnecessary one at that is being done to them. it is pretty insensitive and outrageous. all you can say is they're ignoring the real concerns that women and men have, which is acc

despite court setbacks, she took her battle to congress where, in 2009, the lilly ledbetter fair pay act was passed. it was the first bill that president obama signed into law upon taking office that year. >> every community has a martin luther king boulevard. it is the cornerstone we all know. it is not just a street or boulevard, but a place where walmart stands together with your community to make every day better pierre >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: if there are times when you think one person in our world cannot make a difference, consider then lily ledbetter. born into poverty in a small alabama town, she picked cotton to help support her family household, a home with no running water or electricity. in 1939, she went to work for good as base year in hopes for a path to the middle class. but it turned into a nightmare with constant sexual harassment, low pay, and discrimination. in 2003, she won a landmark case, only to see the decision over turned by an appeals court, a decision supported by the u.s. supreme court. for two

but as long as it's on exterior, not interior. >> well, lilly ledbetter, generally, i know you're not an expert on this, but a case where the republican party for whatever reason is pushing very hard here to i think make having an abortion, also certainly not a joyful experience for anyone, to make it even less so, and make it something i would think, putting a burden on a woman, forcesing her through a new procedure on top of ones she is already going through. what do you think, you've been in these fights. you're a pioneer. >> chris, you hit the nail on the head. this is a war on women, and women across this nation i hope are waking up and listening to what's being said by the republican party, and this is too much control over the women's lives and to say that they have in their life because this is not right in this country, and i'll date myself. i go way back. i remember when roe versus wade was passed into law. i remember young women who needed abortion and could not get one. they would have to use other means, go out of the country because no medical doctor or facility would do

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we should not have to wait for major legislation that recently the past -- got passed, lilly ledbetter. pay equity. you should not do the same job a man is doing and not receive any wage increase or benefit package. that poor woman and many like her have lost out, in my opinion, up to $360,000 worth of earning power because that money was not put into her paycheck when she was working 20 or 30 years on the job. tavis: as i expected, the labor secretary would give me all the room i needed to run with. there is so much she said already to unpack. my friend julianne malveaux is the president of the bennett college for women. she is a leading economist and the author of "surviving and thriving, 365 facts in black economic history." a month to put two on the spot. do you believe the numbers we are being given, all kind of numbers coming out of our government? we are told, for example, that there are 50 million of us living in poverty. we are told that if you combine those living in poverty and near poverty is 150 million people. that means one out of two americans is in or near poverty. you

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since the moment he got in, we talk about the lilly ledbetter act, which was about allowing -- allowing a woman to fight for pay equity still. this has been an administration that has been very, very pro women. i couldn't be prouder of the president and his organization, and the administration. and on the contraception decision, the most important thing was to ensure that all women across this country were going to have access to contraception, to the birth control that they needed. and this compromise to me and i think to women across the country makes a whole lot of sense. because the most important thing is to ensure that women have access to this. and i think about the women that we work with, even in the senate. senator patty murray, senator barbara boxer who were so strong in this debate to ensure that women across this country had of

we've heard reference to her accomplishment on the lilly ledbetter fair pay act. when advocating for this bill, senator mikulski said -- and i quote -- "women earn just 77 cents for every dollar her male counterparts make. women of color get paid even less. the lilly ledbetter fair pay act will empower women to fight for fair pay by once again making employers accountable for paid discrimination. i will fight on the senate floor to get this bill passed." and the bill was passed. it was the first bill that president obama signed in office. senator mikulski and i share a number of passions. one of them is early childhood education. increasing early childhood education, access to it, is one of my top priorities, because we know over and over again the benefits of early childhood education have been demonstrat demonstrated. and barbara knows this. and i wanted to -- i wanted to have a hearing on just the economic benefits of early childhood education, just the economic benefits. because a child who has a quality early childhood education is less likely to be a special

for women facing unequal pay, barbara championed the lilly ledbetter fair pay act. for senior citizens facing bankruptcy because of a spouse's nursing home care, barbara wrote the spousal antiimpoverishment act. yes, she is a trailblazer, but she blazes those trails to help others. for young people who dream of going to college, for families facing devastating illness, for opportunity for all americans -- that has been her passion. that has been her true achievement and that will be her greatest legacy. when barbara was first elected to the senate in 1986, there was only one other female senator. now there are 17. barbara is rightly so the dean of the women. she is a mentor to her female colleagues but no less so, she is an inspiration to all of us. one thing i admire about barbara is her remarkable determination, her tenacity, but also her ability to work with others to get things done. she will fight for what she believes in, but she will sit down to dinner with her colleagues across the aisle, and she has never forgotten where she came from. the daughter of a bal

and when the senate voted down the lilly ledbetter at the 2007, barbara took to the floor and called on the spirit of abigail adams and said to the women of america, this isn't the end. this is the beginning of the fight. and as you know, that became the first failed sign by our new president. [applause] now as i said, barbara was the first woman ever to serve as a member of the subcommittee. inc. about that. 200 years of american history. not one more policy table three shows with other members like pat schroeder. what did they find? they found women were not included in the clinical trial. we didn't know if it would work for women as women had had never been included. women were getting just a small fraction of attention and barbour said not anymore. she offered the legislation to establish women's and saw that women's health got the attention it deserved and women are now included in the trials. when the senate considered the affordable care act, the cbo said health care for women would be too expensive. barbour said no, being a woman is not a preexisting condition. [applause] and

stopped depending -- defending domain court, dodd/frank, lilly ledbetter fair pay act.r financial protection bureau. ended the war in iraq. bin laden mission. it goes on and on. so is it the republicans overjumping the runway when they act as though he did nothing when he can specifically list categorically some achievements, whether you agree with the policy or not. they have, in fact, been achieved? >> well, of course, reverend. but what are the republicans going to do? they've got to play the hand they've been dealt. now that the economy is beginning to move up, they have a difficult time of it. i think what you are seeing in this video is the beginning of a morning in america campaign that things have turned a corner. that they are getting better. it's difficult to make the case to say, hey, things would have been worse if we hadn't done this because that's more hypothetical. this is only half the campaign here. this is the morning in america. you'll see some other videos down the road that are going to look more like freddy kruger. those will be the videos about mi

. >> the lilly ledbetter law, 98% of the republicans voted against it. equal pay, equal treatment in the work place. this is a cultural issue with the republicans, is it not? >> it absolutely is, and again, absolute war on women, and i want women to take notice of this but also men who love and respect women should take note of this. the last time i checked, women make up over 50% of this country. the last time i checked, women were intelligent, the last time i checked women contribute to the society as mothers, as wives, aunts, caregivers, teachers, police officers. this should not be tolerated in the 21st century, ed. it's outrageous and anyone who has a mother, anyone who has a woman who loves them, who has cared for them, should be outraged. >> this is how the president responded at his press conference yesterday about a question about the limbaugh controversy. >> the reason i called ms. fluke is because i thought about malia and sasha and one of the things i want them to do when they get older is engage in issues they care about. i don't want them a

on lillie ledbetter, on what kind of supreme court justice they would appoint. president obama would be like for sonia sotomayor. romney would put a scalia on the court. that's what's important not what's said over years of their careers. >> i'll hit pause on that. i don't know that i fully agree but a whole lot of what's out there but we'll talk about that later on in the show. thank you very much. >>> and now, should minors who commit murder be sentenced to life without parole? the supreme court will consider this tomorrow because they're considering two cases in which 14-year-old boys were convicted and sentenced to life behind bars. the supreme court has ruled minors convicted of murder cannot receive the death penalty and there are more than 2500 people serving life without parole for crimes they committed as juveniles. 38 states allow life without parole for minors who commit murder, but is it constitutional? it's a crucial question. jeffrey toobin is our chief legal analyst and he is outfront tonight. good to see you, sir. >> hello. >> we're switching in

we know about pay equity and the lilly ledbetter law, the first bill signed by president obama. it was senator mikulski's leadership that got that bill to the president's desk. recognizing that we are still not where we need to be on gender pay equity in america. in our region, the chesapeake bay is center to our way of life and our economy. senator mikulski's been one of the real champions on water quality and the chesapeake bay. she understands the respect for state and local government that we have to work together as a team. i know the governor of maryland, governor o'malley, would agree with me, that there is no better friend to the people of maryland working with the state than senator bar a bra mutle -- barbara with mikulski mikulski getting the federal government on the same page as the state and local governments to get things donor the people of maryland. she's been able to do it all across the nation. "the baltimore sun" put it best when it said there is nobody more willing to take on big business, big government or anyone when it's time to look out for the interests

. >> forget about health care and the auto industry and the lilly ledbetter and osama bin laden and momare, remember this. >> we erase our memories as we go. i think it's a national at any rate. >> in the meantime so the republican party is really fixated on main taining the tax cuts, the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans which are set to expire at the end of this year. they were set to expire before and the president greed to continue -- agreed to continue them for two years. you don't think he is going to do that again? do you? >> i would find it very unlikely that he would do that again. he has had to agree to continue continuation s under very unusual circumstances or just the whole press of events as we have seen them unfold and, you know the math gets to be more and more difficult if you keep those the way they are. >> he has the american people behind him. given that i want to ask you about in this morning's "new york times", steve ratney who was the auto zar and now his job is managing michael bloomberg's money is probably a aboutbig job? >> a lot of money. >> he has a

she shepherded through the lilly ledbetter act which helps ensure that no matter your gender, race, religion, age or disability, one will receive equal pay for equal work and she fought tenaciously for her important amendment to the health care reform legislation ensuring that preventative care would be covered with no out-of-pocket expense. i thank senator mikulski for her mentorship, her leadership and her fierce advocacy for women's rights. i look forward to continuing to work alongside senator mikulski and my colleagues here today to promote policies that support our women, our children, our families and to put them on a path to a brighter future. madam president, the violence against women's reauthorization act is central to this goal, and i urge my colleagues to take this bill up and pass it without delay. madam president, i yield the floor. the presiding officer: the senator from minnesota. the senator from alaska. ms. murkowski: madam president, i am proud to be able to stand today to speak about the violence against women act in joining with some of my colleagues here on the floor.

i think that the lilly ledbetter law would be one in a steady progression of laws to equalize pay inhe workplace, to give women a way to address wage discrimination where it continues to exist. we have seen a steady rain 3 -- a steady narrowing of the wage gap. i think the lily ledbetter 0 block contributes to that. host: host: a group of young women in atlanta devised more routes. host: activities that might have been considered how these will be a -- will have a higher status. sounds a little patronizing. guest: i think there are a whole bunch of things going on. wives are grateful for their husband's cooking when they come home at the end of the day and men are cooking much more than they used to. when women are on the dating market, they have a hard time figuring out how to the sort of wear their affluence. most americans, sing the women -- single women are out during their men. you have a large percentage of them going out and trying to find out how this and the right signals to appear feminine and not quite knowing how to do that. what we know is that studies are showing that m

she shepherded through the lilly ledbetter act which helps ensure that no matter your gender, race, religion, age or disability, one will receive equal pay for equal work and she fought tenaciously for her important amendment to the health care reform legislation ensuring that preventative care would be covered with no out-of-pocket expense. i thank senator mikulski for her mentorship, her leadership and her fierce advocacy for women's rights. i look forward to continuing to work alongside senator mikulski and my colleagues here today to promote policies that support our women, our children, our families and to put them on a path to a brighter future. madam president, the violence against women's reauthorization act is central to this goal, and i urge my colleagues to take this bill up and pass it without delay. madam president, i yield the floor. the presiding officer: the senator from minnesota. the senator from alaska. ms. murkowski: madam president, i am proud to be able to stand today to speak about the violence against women act in joining with some of my colleagues here on the floor.

caller: the caller is referring to the lilly ledbetter act. the problem is two-fold. one, we have the equal rights amendment of 1964. this bill does significantly increased the window in which women can file claims. they have an additional 180 days which makes it indefinite. one thing we are concerned about is that we don't assume that the work force is hostile towards women. i think there are bad employers who do discriminate against women, but i think on the whole, women are an extremely part of the work force and employers try to accommodate them to the extent that they can. and when we pass legislation like this, it not only perpetrates that myth, but it assumes that the workplace is openly hostile to women and that is bad across the board. third thing it actually costs women. when we make it so expensive to hire women, make it so risky legally to hire women, guess what? employers are not going to hire them. they would say why do i want to hire a woman of child-bearing age if she makes a mistake, i will be held liable. instead, women have so much offer that employ