but you're not addressing the underlying point that lin mei has made, which is that lin mei has made, then you are disincentivizing people who are disincentivizing people who are really valuable, honest people who've come to this country, not via a dinghy or by illegal means. >> you're disincentivizing them. you're also incentivising the gangs who can send that message to people, come and get a job or come and get a job. you get a job as soon as you get it. peter, would you only be temporary? >> would you want only be temporary? would you want a doctor to administer to yourself without undergoing the necessary conversion? by our standards here, the necessary training, we're not talking, you know, one month get into a job. we're still talking minimum six months to a year. and in that six months to a year, we're still going to have to pay millions for their accommodation. so we're back at square one. >> but we get a solution after six months to a year, rather than waiting at government expense, public expense for three, five or more years . three, five or more years. that's madness. but

yeah, with lin mei and jonathan. liz, is it liz? i say liz. the very sad story about a man who was in hospital coffee shop and was possibly dead for three hours at least. oh my god. before someone noficed oh my god. before someone noticed that maybe there was a strange reason why a man in a coffee shop was slumped over for three hours. >> he was slumped over the table. >> yeah, and rigour mortis had already set in, so they figured he'd been longer than three hours. and this is obviously, there was, i think some explanation. not an explanation, exactly, but a reason given that some homeless people, this is obviously not a defence in any way. some homeless people might use it . and so perhaps someone use it. and so perhaps someone thought that they'd fallen asleep . but i think it does asleep. but i think it does speak to something broader, which is that obviously we don't necessarily like to get involved in other people's business. that's a generous interpretation. other things is that when something is uncomfortable, we look away. yes. and ther

let's see what's in the papers with editor of spike, tom slater and political commentator lin mei.at should we start with? you fancy, i'm going to say about boris's new view on covid. so a bit of a contradiction here where it says mail page nine. it saved lives, but now i'm not sure lockdown works. well, if it saved lives, then it kind of did work. but you know, so many people criticise the government for how they dealt with it. but if you remember, we were discussing this earlier, tom, if you remember the first images that we saw from china with people literally shaking, falling over fits, you know, we didn't really know what covid was. we didn't know what covid was. we didn't know how it happened. no. >> and then we saw the pictures of what was the killer is excuse. the phrase was the pictures from from, northern italy , where there were people italy, where there were people just piled up in the corridors and the death rate there was horrific. well, we had to follow suit, didn't we? >> well, this is the thing. and i think let's say, for example, if we didn't do the rollout , if w

me for the next few hours, human rights campaigner peter tatchell and also political commentator lin mei for