lincoln. >> he realized that he could combine both of his pursuits on the same circuit, and it enabled him to become very well acquainted and respected throughout the whole band of central illinois, from indiana to missouri and iowa. >> illinois was very racist. there's no other way to depict it. it came close to voting to be a slave state. it barred african-americans who were free from coming into the state. so it was a very racist society in which lincoln had to deal. it was the very people he had to appeal to, so many of them, to get elected who held these very strong antiblack views. they didn't want anything to do with blacks, and they didn't want anything to do with slavery either. >> to try to get back in those days and to understand racial relations, it's just hard for us to do that. the best scientists of the day, louis agassiz and others, are telling you it's good science that people from africa are biologically inferior. >> of course, a lot people still argue that lincoln is a racis

enough with lincoln,li right? every time you turn around,d there's another lincoln book.er but to have one that truly giveo you a new way to look at this oft-studied man is a really celeb did thing -- splendid thing to have in our world. so what we thought we'd do inist lieu of richard preston's visit, and i'm very sorry he couldn't be here.e'll we'll do our best to give you a lively and invigoratingo conversation. we're going to chat just a bit, and then we'rens going to take your questions about lincoln, about gatling who i maintain was the inventer of the pivotalat technology of the 19th century, the gatling gun. not much used during the civil war, but later used quite a bitb relentlessly marketed around the world by richard jordan gatling, again, for the best of reasons. he wasn't a warmonger, he wasn't a blood thirsty, terrible man. he was a well-intentioned, quite wonderful man, a family man who truly thought that he was doing something good for humanity and not ushering in the worst period of destructivenes

it is 8 feet long, 60 white, made of carved rosewood. >> mary todd lincoln's strength, the lincoln bedecorating, the bed is still dressed the way we did that so we did that again. >> it is this bad bought by mary lincoln and the most well-known piece of historical furniture in the house that holds the key to understanding the lincoln family's time there. >> the famous bed that was one of mary lincoln's many extravagant purchases as she began a campaign when she got here to redecorate this entire bedroom. >> she spent so much money and he saw the bill and flew into a rage. he said the soldiers needed blankets. >> the ethical thing about this bed is that it is where in february, 1862, lincoln wi sonlly died after a bout with typhoid fever. after that, mary would never go into his room again. she never looked at the bed again. >> she never was able to absorb the sun's death. lincoln finally said to her when he took her to the window and made her look across the river at the mental hospital, st. elizabeths. he said if you don't get a hold of yourself, you will be put there. now is the time

it would be hard to follow lincoln. in surveys of presidents, johnson is usually in the bottom five and lincoln is number one. it is quite a shock for people. he was not really equipped to do what had to be done for the nation at this very, very critical time. so it was both things. following a popular president, a person who was popular in our time, and historians looking at what he botched, was reconstruction, and realizing that this was the wrong man at this very, very critical moment. >> there was great debate, this is not about whether you like or load or disagree with sarah palin. there was debate about her lack of ability to beat president. johnson was such a bad president, how did he get so close to the office in the first place? >> johnson had worked his way up from nothing to become a very high official in tennessee. he was the only southern senator who remained loyal to the union, so he stayed in the union. lincoln beat him because he was a war governor, and lincoln could signal to the south, it is possible f

and abraham lincoln is packing. he is leaving on february 11, leaving the next morning for washington. still has not been elected by the electoral college. still concerned about general scott was making sure nobody disrupted the counting of the electoral vote. so it is still up in the year. as your previous guest, congressman kucinich knows, he was heading toward cleveland when he got the word that he had been elected. host: how uncertain was the electoral college count at that point? guest: you know, it was probably a missed opportunity for the southern delegates who were still there and not to dress and the to disrupted. tuesday, we want a quorum and where is mississippi and south carolina? where is arkansas? we cannot have an electoral college. do not count these votes, but those states since in their votes. it was weird. so lincoln went over to his law office in springfield and wind up to see his partner just to clean up some lingering cases. he had not been paying attention to the law practice for months. as he

bedroom, to go in the place where lincoln actually sat and wrote, where lincoln drafted parts of the emancipation proclamation and the desperate address, for me, -- the gettysburg address, for me, that became sacred space. >> the most famous room in the home today is a bedroom. but in lincoln's time, it was anything but a place for rest. >> this room was the office and cabinet room. he got here around 9:00, he worked through the day under the most trying circumstances and the most -- and the most demanding retain that could be imagined. a routine that's nothing like what the modern chief executives subject themselves to because it demands constant interface with the public, and screamed, the security checks, a constant flow of people. awhile >> he would meet with members of the public and day stream of office seekers. somehow, he managed to maintain his sense of humor. one office seeker one day came and complained and denounced the president to his face. he said i helped put you here. lincoln's response was and what a mess you've got me into. >> perhaps the room where lincoln spends

lincoln was a tough act to follow. [laughter] >> i mean, on the same surveys that i talked about, he's almost always mentioned as the best. [laughter] >> so you go from number one to the best to the worst. [laughter] >> in one -- you know, one, you know, terrible moment at ford's theatre. that's what you have. you go from lincoln to andrew johnson. so he suffers by comparison. so that's part of it. it's not just that he -- he had failings which we will talk about. he came after someone who was, you know, amazing to people. and in good ways and bad so the people hated him but a very towering figure to andrew johnson. so we have these humble origins that seem to make him in some ways -- well, it strengthened lincoln. i mean, hardship sometimes can strengthen people in a particular way, strengthen them in empathy. strengthen them in vision and so forth. i think my take on johnson is that his hard life being looked down by people, being thought of as trash made him hard in lots of ways. and someone asked me, well, you woul

and then lincoln helped me think of a title too because we think of lincoln's second inaugural address as a message of peace, brotherhood and reconciliation but there's a very dark passage in lincoln's second inaugural that's been completely forgotten and lincoln says essentially if all the blood drawn by 250 years of slavery and the slave master's whip has to be repaid by blood drawn by the sword, let it be so. and so lincoln's discussion of blood and vengeance and john brown's prophesy that there's blood to come are really -- it gave me the idea to the title of the book. >> what's your next project? >> well, i spent the last several years surrounded by death, assassination, american mass tragedy, the crime of slavery, imprisonment, the deaths of 620,000 americans. so i think i'm going to take a break and do "manhunt" and the honor of whining the edgar award. i've become friend with two great american thriller writers and they've encouraged to try fiction. there still might be death and destruction in it but at least it won't be real and so i think i'm going to take a break from nonfi

lincoln was a tough act to follow. i mean, on those same surveys i talked about he is always mentioned. you go from number one, the best to the worst in the one, you know, terrible moment. that is what you have, lincoln to andrew johnson. he suffers by comparison. that part of it, it is not just that he has failings, which we will talk about, but he came after someone who was, you know, amazing to people in good ways and bad. people hated him. a very and towering figure. so, we have the humble origins that seems to make him in some ways -- well, it strengthened lincoln. hardship can sometimes strengthen people in a particular way, in empathy, and vision. but my take on johnson is that his hard life, being looked down upon, it made him hard in lots of ways. someone asked to come about, you would think that kind of a breaking the tough upbringing would make him sympathetic to black people and slaves. no. the other side is what that can do is make you look for somebody to look down on. there has to be somebody below you.

lincoln would often visit georgetown alone, and as i walked that path that abraham lincoln walked, i realized as i looked to my left one of the sons of jefferson davis was buried there, and i realized that abraham lincoln had to walk past the grave of the son of jeff -- jefferson davis to walk to the tomb of his own son. as i started to research it, i found out that lincoln and davis had bizarre similarities, and that's what really inspired me to do the book about pote of them under -- both of them under one set of covers. in many ways, although you'd never think it, they were alike in so many strange ways and it was that insight that made me want to write the story in one book. >> and can you tell me where the title came from? >> yeah. it really comes from john brown and abraham lincoln. when john brown was awaiting execution, he was allowed to possess a kink james' -- king james bible, and he underlined his favorite passages, and one of them was make a chain for the land is full of bloody crimes. and then on the morning he was hanged, john brown handed a piece of paper to his jaile

click on the abraham lincoln book and be sure to use the promo code lincoln.turn to "inside the white house". >> designed by washington, added onto by jefferson and built to its current size by fdr, it is the home of the constant growth and change one president who never ordered a theer lifted to order thchange structure changed forever. he asked the band to play "dix ie". here where he writes and signs documents that change our nation. here, where he comes to grief on thursday afternoon following the death of his son, and here, where his body lay in state. s leftsically, the lincoln' little imprint on the white house. in other senses, they arleft a legend. >> the mystique of the white house comes from the lincoln period. >> the house had 31 rooms of which six or seven were set aside for use by the lincoln family. there were on the second floor. >> these are the private family quarters where cameras are rarely allowed. the entire floor is set aside for the family's use. in lincoln's time without a west wing yet built, family life and the demands of the preside

he spoke at a lincoln dinner. this is about one hour. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] >> i am not officially in exploratory mode. i am the first, foremost exploratory presidential candidate here. the others are getting all of this press and they haven't declared anything. i am not a declared candidate, i have to say that, but i have put together my formal exploratory committee and it is going great. this is my fifth time here. i love coming here. i have got people working, lining up meetings for me in south carolina. vigil lyonnais strategy, i knew that was dead on arrival. how can you ignore the early primary states and think you're going to go to florida, the waters are going to part in your going to get the nomination. i think he did it that way because he might not have really cared if he got it or not. if you really wanted, you have to get out there and work. >> [inaudible] >> thank you. you have heard me talk. [laughter] how many people -- look what ha

>> guest: bloody crimes comes from john brown and abraham lincoln. when brown was the execution he was allowed to under line the favorite passages in the bible from the book of ezekiel common make a change for the land is full of bloody crimes than on the morning he was hanged he handed a piece of paper to say now convince the crimes of the bloody land can only be purged by a blood and also we think of his second inaugural address to be peace and brotherhood and reconciliation but there is a dark passage that has been completely forgotten and essentially says a fall of the blood had drawn by 250 years of slavery half to be repaid by a blood drawn by the sword, let it be so-so his discussion of a blood inventions and john brown's a prophecy of blood to come gave me the idea for the title of the book. >> host: what is your next project? >> i spent time around death and assassination and slavery and imprisonment and death of 620,000 americans. i will take a break and do man had died of privilege to become with friends with two thriller writer survival t

he continues in his role as the head of jazz at lincoln center. this past sunday night he was a grammy nominee for a song performed with the lincoln center orchestra. we're glad you have joined us for a conversation with wynton marsalis coming up right now. >> all i know is his name is james, and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i am james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference, >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley. tavis and nationwide insurance, working to improve financial literacy and remove economic obstacles. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. kcet public television] tavis: always honored to have wynton marsalis on this program. the multiple award-winning jazz great heads a communication jazz outrich program all around this world. always good to see you. >> all the time. tavis: i was saying to the staff over the years doing this show, you have been on a number of times. never in the studio. >> it is nice here. tavis: always on a sat

after a world record with the help of abe hamlin lincoln.oal to get them to read tape. >> 150th anniversary of lincoln's farewell address. he gave the speech when he left his hometown to serve as president. yesterday people gathered to read the speech in prickfield and online. the last record was set in 2006 when more than 223,000 people read charlotte's webb at the same time. the final votes won't be released for another couple weeks but we will be sure to let you know. >>> i jumped the gun a little bit but we got the golf forecast. looking good. now it is up to the players, huh? >> and some of the players you may not recognize they are actually at the top of the leaderboard. a college quarterback. his audition to become the team's starter. somebody told george lopez it was moving day at pebble beach but could anybody catch steve marino? that's coming up next in sports. saturday's spotlight was on the celebrities... " " >>> a lot of the big names nowhere need the leads at pebble beach -- >> if this goes on the green that kid has got 20 buck

go to c-span.org/books and click on the abraham lincoln book can use the code of lincoln at checkout. >> officials from the white house and department of health and human services discussed ideas to help low-income families. we hear from maurice miller whose family independence initiative allows low income families to control and tailor their own assistance programs. the new america foundation in washington d.c. hosted this 90 minute discussion. >> great. welcome to our event today, social innovation and community solutions for a new war on poverty. we are pleased to have you in the room with us today and also as part of our virtual audience out there with c-span and on-line at noonamerica.net. we have a significant audience from california where maurice lim miller works. good morning to all of you out there in california as well. i am reed kramer. i directed the assets building program at the new america foundation and in this program we explore innovation in social development and economic opportunity especially in ways that promote savings and building up of assets and resources fo

coach mike gragnani died of a heart attack at the age of to adopt lincoln >>> a couple of weeks ago lincoln basketball coach mike kuhn yani died of a heart attack at the age of 50. today we decided to adopt lincoln high school as our team for the rest of the season, parents diane and paul continue to attend the teams because they feel a connection with their boy. the mustangs wear black ribbons attached to their jerseys, they win 72-25, they are 9-2 in league play. and right there the kinnannies who are the mustang's biggest fans. >>> sit one thing to celebrate your thousandth game. antti niemi pulled the second period after phoenix took a 3-0 lead. alex stay lock in goal. speaking of no-names, kyle went wood scores his first-ever nhl goal. sharks coming back. then patrick marleau, the shorthand break away buries it along with the coyotes. the sharks scored five unanswered goals, they win on an historic night for patrick marleau. >> sick. >> yeah, i know. good head of hair, i'm telling you. >> geez. >>> 5,000 members of the media fought for interviews and attention today in dallas as super

abraham lincoln once ask, what is conservatism? not the appearance to the old and tried against the new and untried? if president lincoln was standing here today, liberal progressivism evolved after our constitution. it has been tried. it has repeatedly failed all over the world. why would we think that it could be successful here today in our united states of america? [applause] thank you. thank you. so here today, let us be reminded of the pillars of conservatism, which will lead us to the new dawn of a new america. the first is simple. it is effective and efficient constitutional government. thomas jefferson said, my reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. [applause] therefore, let me ask you a simple question. do you believe that america can survive as a bureaucratic many state? >> no. >> you are correct. i appreciate the emphasis over there. the framers of our constitution, they had one true intent, to put a restraining order on the government. fiscal conservatism is a derivat

the lincoln memorial. let's look at what they have. magnets. with the washington monument.china. a bell. made in china. toothpick holder. made in china. the jefferson memorial. a replica of the memorial itself. let's take a look. oh, no. even the american flag pins. made in china. we spent about 400 bucks on souvenirs all over town. not a single one of them made in america. not even my supreme court gavel key chain. the lincoln memorial does sell some made in the usa stuff, but they explained to us, it comes down to dollars and cents. case in point, the hats. all right, two hats, made in america, made in china. what are the prices. >> $19.95 and $10.95. >> reporter: this is almost half the price, but made in china. >> yes. >> reporter: the spoons here used to be made in america. but a couple of years ago, the manufacturer moved to mexico. so, if you wanted to get more of these, could you? >> no. not made here. >> reporter: there is one place we found where virtually everything sold is made in america. the shops at the u.s. capitol. back to the smithsonian. they told us they

by bringing industry professionals and professors from various universities to visit schools like lincoln and balboa. mike is dedicated to that same goal. what we are working on right now is to bring people into lincoln high school to explain the solar project. his qualifications speak for themselves. more than that, he is a symbol for young people that see his work in that gesture. besides being a great individual, he represents a large sector of our population. >> although we are not with the san francisco building trade, we support my brother mike theriault's appointment to the board. someone mentioned a previous board member that was a previous agent. i find that not only a symbol of hope -- not only symbolic, but appropriate. i urge encourage your support for this appointment. i also support janet reilly. >> i am also a resident of san francisco. i will speed with of the brotherhood. lots of people have spoken well , and there are a lot of good things to say about mike. i know from our contact both here and in san francisco, they are crying out for a supporter, someone on the board t

the civil war begins after the election of abraham lincoln. abraham lincoln is elected in 1860. south carolina secedes before lincoln gets inaugurated. several southern states follow. like it has to decide what to do. he decides to spend the federal fortress, south carolina, fort sumter, tries, the civil war is on. and that is that. there's more of course, but a side effect of that which is absolutely critical for the development of the american industrial economy is when the south seceded. the democratic party essentially abdicated its role in national policy. leaving the federal government, for the first time in the complete control of a party that is overtly friendly to business development. so there was a program of business development but there was never control of the federal government. as the republicans had during the years of the civil war in early reconstruction. and so the republicans who of course are remembered in history as the party of anti-slavery were also the party of pro-business. and republicans, because they had the democratic opposition, they very quickly

lincoln. so i would point out that in a recent run for the mayor of -- recent controversy over rahm emanuel, his residency, i laid claim to being as much a resident of chicago as rahm emanuel and i thought, the two of us, in a spirit of bipartisanship, should have gone before the illinois supreme court and defended ourselves. he utterly ignored my case and i think i would have fortified his case and also my roots in chicago are far deeper than his and mine go back to p. d. tyrrell, u.s. secret service and 1 1876. >> if roots are deep in chicago, why did you choose indiana university. >> you had the greatest swimming coach and swimming team in the world there and i wanted to be a swimmer and i knew the if anybody could make me an olympian, he could. he failed. he didn't fail, thank god with the swim teeiam and he was a grt coach and, he coached the greatest team in the world and we could beat any combination of swimmers, with that little swimming team, in indiana university and i always accept

because lincoln is a poet as well as a president. at the second inaugural, it's one of the most lyrical pieces of writing, and profound. and the civil war is a great crisis. my ultimate answer is the american revolution is a greater crisis. that we wouldn't have had the civil war if we hadn't won the american revolution. and that washington defines the presidency more than any other president before or since. he has the advantage again of becoming the president, but if you read the constitution, it spends very little time talking about what the president can do. it spends a lot of time talking about how to elect him and how to impeach him. but washington defines the office as nobody else before or since. i've made a point of arguing in earlier work that the founding fathers are a collective, that no single person stands above all others. but washington comes pretty darn close. to being the one. by the way, he thought of the presidency not as the capstone to his career, but as a kind of epilogue or sequel. no man in american history w

how abraham lincoln is playing a role. yes, that abraham lincoln.e'll have a look when we come back. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >>> well, live shows, if you're planning a night out on the town. let's start off with laughs. veteran comedian john witherspoon, head lining tonight at the improv in downtown san jose. shows at 7:00 and 9:00. paula west performing at the razz room in san francisco's hotel nikko, tonight at 7:00 and 9:30. >>> i think regardless, you're just going to want to be outside for the rest of the day. >> nice night. temperatures have been cool the last few evenings, but warming up. >>> people in l.a., they have a story to talk about. they are keeping busy indoors, trying to break a world record right now with the help of abraham lincoln. their goal is to get a quarter of a million people to read outloud at the same time. >> sounds confusing. yesterday it was -- yesterday was the 150th anniversary of lincoln's farewell address. he gave the speech when he left his hometown to serve as president. yesterday, people gathered to read the speech in s

after lincoln had freed us from slavery, they instituted this law, separate but

would lay lincoln logs and build what is called a redwood grillage. fortunately, the termites cannot attack at and it lasts hundreds of years. >> is resistant to decay. >> the second most common foundation, as we move forward, the cement can along. >> all the homes, all the buildings rest on just a typical spread type footing. the spread type flooding takes the load, comes down, and spreads it out over a larger area. that is why it is called spread footing. as the soil types get more and more difficult, we start looking at social foundations that may still be spread. a spread type foundation such as a mac. -- such as a mat. it is a blob of concrete that is the enough so that if it tries to move, it moves as a unit as opposed to individual footings. eventually, as you move closer and closer to the shoreline, where you cannot get economically justified basement, we use piles. those are the most expensive, where we drive -- the old days, again, we used to take trees, turn them upside down and drive them until they stop. with concrete, we went to circular

and we remembered the opera singer who was not allowed to sing in the hall and had to sing in lincoln center. all the discrimination and the local in justices. like, everything was separate and unequal. the school was inadequate. we could not go to the hospitals. they built a house adjacent to the main hospital. the white people were not supposed to be in the same room with an n-person. you know the n-word? i said to myself at the end of the day that i love my country and i'm glad that that day, i took a stand. i saw through the supreme court that the flaws that america had tried to correct them by removing those horrible signs -- "white" and "colored." i said when i testified at the trial, i went through how we were treated, and the lady dramatize it, so i do not have to go through that, but it is the whole system of separate but unequal. it is understates rights -- is under states' rights. after lincoln had freed us from slavery, they instituted this law, separate but equal, and the state had sanctioned it. but everything there was, even when they had things that were federal, they

i was on lincoln conspiracy radio.o-host a show the second and fourth wednesday of every month on channel 76. i want to say thank you to ross mirkarimi and eric mar. we really hope that you support this resolution. we have a gut feeling that you are. i just want to call your attention to yesterday. a world-renowned "rolling stone" author, ben fong torres, put out a really good article in the pink section. in the two of the progress he backed our position. "the new york times" is going to be picking up a blurb on the story. every week as i go out into the city and to the public publicity things with the band and the tv show, more and more people of different demographics are coming up to me and asking, "why is this happening?" i hear more and more publicity every week, from bigger sources outside of our bay area. i think we could send a message in san francisco by standing up to this corporate, homogenized takeover. there are only 19 days left with the fcc before they make the decision, i have been told. this was a uniq

lincoln from 56 scholars, journal i'lls and writers. from his early years to his presidency during one of our nation's most troubled times and his relevance today. and now for presidents day and while supplies last, the publishers are offering the c-span viewers the hardcover edition of abraham lincoln for the special price of $5 plus shipping and handling. go to c-span.org/books and be sure to use the promo code "lincoln "at checkout. >> well, there's a new online enterprise just starting up, and it is called the washington independent review of books. david stewart is the president of this organization, mr. stewart, what is your organization? is. >> guest: well, it's a group of writers and editors and similarly-minded people in, mostly in the d.c. area who are very dismayed by the shriveling of book review space and sort of the standard media. a lot of book review sections have been folded, they've shrunk, and it's just harder to find information about what's going on in the world of books these days. coverage of the publishing indust

and in 1860, he ran against abraham lincoln and lost. thank god. sir. >> a couple of quick questions. given the clays -- given the clays perspective on slavery, what was his relationship of the abolitionists in congress? and the second question i just quickly, i didn't quite understand how slavery in the district of columbia became part of one of those resolutions. i was under the impression that issue is not settled until just prior to the emancipation proclamation. the issue came up again. i was surprised to hear that issues included slavery and the district of coney was part of the compromise of the legislation. so if you can elaborate on that i would appreciate it. >> well, clay said slavery in our time cannot be solved. for one thing, we have had it too long. and the american people, and this i think is interesting, what they have been doing year after decade after decade is hard for even though it is not to their benefit, it is hard for them to give it up. in fact, it's impossible. and another reason is there was so much money invested in sla

go to c-span.org/books and click on the abraham lincoln book and be sure to use the promo code lincoln at checkout. >> we're here talking with ralph reid about the confirmation. tell us what this is about. >> this is a fictional account of a sort of knockdown, drag out mother of all supreme court confirmation battles. it involves the nomination of, really, the fifth conservative on the court, kind of ultimately moving the court in a irretrievably conservative direction, and that nomination goes to a democratic senate. so you can imagine it's a pretty pitch battle. when i actually wrote it which was in late '08 and early '09, it was the first hispanic supreme court justice ever nominated, and then barack obama kind of stole my thunder and nominated sotomayor. sonyasonyasonia sotomayor. so i changed it to the second hispanic. >> and, well, what led you -- how did -- how were you inspired to write this? >> well, i've been involved in not every but just about every supreme court confirmation battle since bork in '87. and i was at the christian coalition in the '90s for the thomas nominatio

birthday, a spiritual way on the very day that abraham lincoln came into this world. i think of the ramifications of that. he would shut down guantanamo bay, stop the torture, stop planned parenthood. sometimes, i pray for hillary clinton. i think about the ramifications if she got born again. that would be so awesome. she was satisfied bill. all he would have to do is a wink at her, and she would died on the bed, knowing her christian obligation to satisfy him. as far as the cfr goes, she would spurn it. you can watch her kiss of to the council on foreign relations and thank them for giving her directions. absolutely amazing. she would say, "no way. i'm a christian now. i'm going to serve the lord jesus as a senator and call for a new 9/11 commission investigation, by the way." israel had to be in on it. larry boyd silverstein -- [tone] supervisor chiu: thank you very much. next speaker. >> i would like the camera to remain on the overhead projector. again, i'm here to talk about the rent petition i have talked about several times before, and what i view as to be the

. >> c-span's book, abraham lincoln: great american historians is a unique contemporary perspective on mr. lincoln from 56 colors, journalists and writers from his early years as a springfield lawyer to his presidency during one of our nation's most troubled time in this relevance today. and now for president and while supplies last, publishers are offering c-span viewers the hardcover edition of abraham lincoln for the special price of $5 for shipping and handling. go to c-span.org/books and click on the abraham lincoln book and use the promo code again and check out. >> inside the outbreak i did take over five and a half years to break this as my wife reminded me repeatedly. and it was really a labor of love. it's about an organization called the epidemic intelligence service. and a friend of mine went through this and told me about it. and first he sent me an e-mail n

and that was the policy of abraham lincoln because secession was not recognized. to the right of that u.s flag is the stars and bars. that is the first national flag of the confederacy. the middle is a south carolina state flag. now to the right of that you have the second national flag of the confederacy, also known as the stainless banner, and that became the national flag in 1863. the first national flag looked too close to a u.s. flag. so this one is not going to be mistaken for a u.s. flag. february 18, 1865 is when charleston's reclaimed by the u.s army, that is when the civil war ended in charleston harbor, and when that flag goes up it signifies the end of the war. there are now 35 stars on the flag. actually two more states were added to the union or to the flag during the civil war, which include west virginia, which had seceded from virginia to join the union and then there was also kansas. >> although the u.s. army made repairs, the fort never saw action again. in 1948, it became a national monument and is managed by the national park service. there's

that's what our institution, jazz and lincoln center. if there were not problems we wouldn't need to be where we are. accept that and embrace that. when i go in town, in the elevator, i'm always met with love. they may not know what i do or who i am. you that dude that plays clarinet. they know love and the feeling that i have for them on a personal note. the rejection i never have felt is of me and our arts and contribution. the arts by our country. our arts by our people. and it hurts. i would will lying if i said it didn't hurt. it hurts because i know what it would do for us. medicine that can help somebody but they can't see it. it is our job to do as much as we can to enlighten the people about it. that's what i try do. >> here in l.a. where we sit now, we're in the season of the arts. it is grammy season. it is academy award season. everybody is in town for these events. what's your sense of how, as a country, ain't talking about black folk, as a country, where this disconnect, this -- this split came between american people and a