things lincoln. those are the good things. the terrible thing is when you are here to research you're surrounded by the 15,000 books about abraham lincoln that have already been written. and so i think it is a stark reminder that anybody who comes here and asks you to put another book on that shelf really has some explaining to do right at the beginning. that is what i wanted to start out by doing because i came to lincoln in a kind of backwards way. my book is about his foreign policy, which is something that has been written about and frequently. and my background is in journalism, not academia. i was working as foreign correspondent for many years, mostly in the middle east reporting of the ground in places like syria, libya, yemen. so i was used to covering foreign affairs of the street level. went through a time several years back where i really wanted to take a step back and look at some of the frameworks of american foreign policy, some of the traditions. and so i started reading. as started s

the legacy of lincoln. alan ganzo is a director and professor of civil war studies at gettysburg college. his book "gettysburg" will be out in paper back next month. full disclosure, you join me on a near daily basis because i listen to one of your great survey courses. to be in person with you is just a thrill for me. >> likewise, it's wonderful to be here. >> let's talk about lincoln and obama. because there's a lot of discussion about the two. this is an important time for the president. he's getting ready now, coming off a bad year with the state of the union address and to be as persuasive as can be. there was a profile done of him recently in the new yorker. in it, the president speaks about lincoln. quoting from the article, he spoke about envying lincoln's capacity to speak to and move the country without simplify. and at the most fundamental of levels. but what struck him most, he said, was precisely what his critics think he most avoids, the messiness of getting something done. >> lincoln had a tr

we found all the stories about lincoln. lincoln lives up to the hype always. not everyone lives up to the hype. lincoln lives up to the hype. we found stories -- i'll tell a couple of here. they told me the lincoln books are almost gone already. we're in virginia. the lincoln books are almost gone. in kansas, they're like screw lincoln. i want the earhart one. what is amazing is lincoln is a great story i found i couldn't use in the book. i feel there are kids there. lincoln is riding on the horse one day, and he's riding with another guy. and he sees this nest of birds that has fallen out. the birds are out of the nest. and he stops the horse and gets off and puts them back in and puts them back in place. the guy is like why did you stop for a bunch of birds and lincoln basically said, if i didn't stop i wouldn't be able to stop thinking about them. so you to stop and help things. i'm just like, that is lincoln to me nap is a great -- that's greatness. you find story after story like that. it was a black hawk war many years ago, he's in the 20s and in the arm

we found all of these doors about lincoln. lincoln was up to the hype always. abraham lincoln was up to the hype. i'll tell stories of numbers he because they tell me the link and books are almost gone already. in kansas, and they're like screw lincoln want you amelia said 71. what is amazing is abraham lincoln there's a great story couldn't use the book, but their skates here. he's writing on this horse with another guy and he sees a nest of birds falling out and the birds nns from the street. he gets off the horse and put them back in and the guy he's writing with is why did you stop for a bunch of birds? lincoln does if i didn't stop, i wouldn't be of the stop thinking about them. i'm just like that is abraham lincoln to me. that is greatness. you find story after story about that. he's in his 20th come the army honors the work in the indians. abraham lincoln bashed america is fighting me and an. this old indian comes into town and he has a letter that says he's a fine and honorable man and he should be trusted. all the people around him listen in. we've got

that is when lincoln comes in. he was willing to compromise and that is why people thought he was slow with regard to emancipation but he was working slowly so you could get a real lasting piece and abolish slavery. so it is sometimes pragmatic, sometimes work, sometimes necessary and sometimes so floridflac flac flacid and meaningless. so when you have a contested election, and we have an interesting moment in history where the poplar vote wasn't won but many people in the south were not allowed to vote. so the compromise was to get him into office as long as he pulled out the troops. so we are debating the issues today. and there are no easy answers for them. >> you mentioned lincoln's bottomlessness and i was wondering if you could say little more about that in terms of the evolution on his views of slavery. and given the comment all times are messy when you look at them in the present, what kind of perspective does that give both of you in terms of so many people feeling we have a dysfunctional government and h

for abraham lincoln for me is the american icon. there are so many stories, we didn't even put them in the book. we found a story about abraham lincoln when he was younger, he stops this horse and gets up and picks them up and puts them back in the tree. he said why are you doing that? he said, if i didn't do it, i wouldn't be able to sleep tonight. he lives up to it story after story after story. >> pardonnen the pun but who's on the drawing board? >> well said. my goal isn't just to do amelia and abraham, we want to build a whole library we want to do a whole library, i am rosa parks, and in september we do i am albert einstein. we have the first six kind of mapped out right now but my goal is to do 60 of them. like you sid there are so many heroes out there. your kids are going to pick heroes whether you like it or not, you might as well have some say in it. >> seven or eight-year-olds draw them into reading histories of important people who can really teach them lessons, you have done a terrific job and a very good thing to be r

lincoln comes along, and lincoln says the constitution defines the structure of who we are but the declaration of independence describes the spirit of who we are. it is important in the current presidency, and president obama did not go -- because there's almost nothing in his current pattern which would be worthy of being near abraham lincoln. [applause] >> i don't want to be partisan but i do think it is very important to look in context, lincoln was all about the rule of law. somebody who had grown up very poor who had only had a year-and-a-half of schooling, literally learned how to read by the light of a fireplace because his family couldn't afford candles and lincoln understood it is the rule of law which protect the weak. it is the rule of law which protects the average person. without the rule of law it is the predators, the vicious and a powerful. so he saw what we were fighting over, as the very essence of freedom. whether or not freedom would survive. egos -- the war had gotten much longer, much bloodier, much more difficult than anybody expected. it was a 30 to 90 day war, people t

let's head back to lincoln ellis in the pits of the cme. lincoln?s the cold depot here in chicago. absolutely, myself and a lot of guys behind me wearing long johns today, first time in a long time. all eyes focused on fed and treasury auction. bunch much notes, 10-year notes this wednesday at very beginning of the jobs extravaganza. one theme hyped me on the pits we're expecting some more volatility around the jobs number and seating of the new fomc president. so that will make for some volatility. david, ask my friend barry knapp one question, the most dangerous score in soccer is 2-0. we had two very good years in u.s. equity markets. does that set us up for some kind of a potential reverral in 2014? cheryl: lincoln, you have to explain to me the soccer reference. >> ask, barry the most dangerous score is when you're up 2-0. why we always lose 3-2. david: barry knows his stuff. we will ask him. >>> next hour the senate is expected to confirm janet yellen as the next federal reserve chairman replacing ben bernanke who has been at the helm for eigh

one of the stories we do we found a story about abraham lincoln that showed when abraham lincoln was 10 years old he came upon a group of boys who wanted -- they were playing with turtles and lincoln loved animals. he sees the boys. what they are doing is not playing with them. they are putting hot coals on the top of the turtles. and he goes over and says stop doing that. and my younger son said abraham lincoln is brave. >> and he wrote about. >> in fact, the next day is the first speech political speech he writes about being nice to animals. and now again, abraham lincoln, i could tell my kids he is president and freed the slaves and we always do. but my kids can't relate to that anymore. in a strange odd way it is great in vital news but when i tell them to a young kid like that that he saves those animals, you know, the turtles -- >> they can connect. >> they feel that i can be brave too. >> one thing you don't do in these two books, both characters had untimely deaths. why not address the deaths in the books? >> it is a fair question. we deal with slavery in the i am abraham lin

i think lincoln was one of those. he was aware of himself even at that time that there was a -- stirrings of ambition that were mighty. his law partner said he is a little engine of ambition, knows no rest. humility wasn't the word that everybody around him associated -- >> you say, his assistants agreed that lincoln was almost wholly lacking in utility. umility. lincoln is a very controversial figure. the argument i make in the book is that over the course of his life, particularly in the maturation that he went through in the civil war, he came to a place in his own life where he recognize not only humility before the divine, but he exemplified throughout much of his adult life, particularly in his political insurrections but -- interactions, but also in personal dealings, a humility with others. there is a way in which he combines with that a greatness of soul. lincoln was willing to admit when he was wrong. that is a rare thing. he wrote general grant before the two men had ever met, a letter. they disagreed about

he draws parallel between king and lincoln's strategic thinking. >> lincoln used this legal strategynd maneuvering and says i am going to do something that is going to fundamentally change the balance of power. and is going to stop me. and we'll deal with the consequences, the legal consequences of that when we cross that period. i think he fundamentally admires that and wants to remind a group of politicians and decision makers here in new york that they have the influence and potential power to make similar decisions in this critical moment of 1962. >> critical because king worried that president john f. kennedy would not push hard enough to pass the civil rights act. meanwhile, new york governor nelson rockefeller who intended to challenge kennedy in 1964, invited king to speak at the commemoration ceremony. a possible bid to court black voters. >> of course, governor rockefeller was a republican, dr. king was working to get then president kennedy to take a stronger stand on civil rights issues. and was somewhat reluctant to attend the event but governor rockefeller helped organiz

pain that we discussed on abraham lincoln and in the sense that at least as many people view lincoln he was a transformative president who set the entire country on a new path which is an incredibly you know you can say are dangerously ambitious goal and i think that some of the conversation and some of the discussion that we're having reflects the tension between those enormously high aspirations yearning you might say for fundamental change and the reality of our system of government which is one of checks and balances and really retards change to a significant degree cutting back to your question about the power of the president i think that it's a combination of individual. personality and also events around one by that standard obama i think has fallen short of some of his most ambitious aspirational rhetoric ok doug i'd like to go back to you in washington well just how powerful is the president today because you know i looked at it we could look at the rhetoric from two thousand and eight to the president to the president and it looks like the popular the populist. words of fa

ronald reagan abraham lincoln washington we heard jefferson as well i mean it's a leadership quality a lot's going to pen on what prism he will be viewed through and i think that's very important to understand that he styles himself after abraham lincoln in you now it's his campaign a very audacious campaign in four years from the unknown state senator to a united states presence a pretty bold move and you know i think one of the things we might want to look for . bob mentioned social justice is the equality of opportunity the american create an alice in the declaration of penance as equality of opportunity he is the first african-american president in some ways completes the constitution but he's taken some pretty bold stances on gays in the military and also same sex marriage and a generation from now that actually could be a very significant moment in his presidency ok doug how would you reflect about that because again you know it is a lot of people will look at obamacare for example do you think that will be the centerpiece of his presidency and and if it is that still the jury

lincoln ellis from the pits of the cme. lincoln, is anybody worried in the pits what happened today or do you have a reason? >> i think that the outlook here is really around uncertainty both produced around the jobs number that will be around the producer prices number we get later in the week and inflation, the cpi numbers. once you put that all together with the complexion of the labor market we got from the bls, one has to wonder whether or not profit margins and sales will continue at the pace that really justifies the kind of multiples that equity markets have been trading at. certainly in terms of not just the price but the trajectory which we saw coming out of 2013. the guys behind me today voted no. david: well, joe bell, there is no question that a lot of money coming back into the market from insurers, from pension funds, even from retail investors who are getting back in but could today's loss spook the investors getting back in the market? >> yeah, it is all about the time frame really. you look at from a short

president obama should remember steven spielberg's lincoln movie. that film is essentially about what president lincoln had to do to convince a congress suspicious of him to pass anti-slavery election. lincoln did all kinds of things, some of which boarded on illegal to get the slavery bill done. president obama's presidency will not be successful until he reaches some kind of dataune with -- just today there's an article in the "new york times" that says the republican party may well win the senator next move. so alert americans know that barack obama is not in a good place. his job tomorrow night to begin to turn it all around. and that's enough. joining us from washington, i bet you agree with that memo, 100%. >> i pretty well do agree with that memo. i think he has a tall order, i don't know how much he can really do his speechi ines tend make news for a few days. he's talking about what he can do with a pen and a phone and the truth of the matter is, bill, the cold reality of is it, with a pen and a phone there's not all that much you can do. p

it's also the most important speech ever given in american history in which lincoln talks about a newirth of freedom, which it is for these kids, so there's that connection. but this is him doubling down on the declaration, this is the declaration 2.0. this has been our operating system since then. we have no other operating system. he said, look, the guy who wrote the declaration "all men are created equal" owned other human beings implicitly, but now we really do mean it. and even though we've experienced the greatest battle ever fought on american soil, we can come out of this stronger and more unified, and it is that kind of metaphor of battle of struggle that also compels these boys across various learning differences to do it. >> you are asking americans, all americans, to learn the address, and many have. all the former presidents and president obama as well. you suggested this would be good for the country. >> yes. >> if everyone learn this. why so? >> we often do best as a country when we've got our oars in the water at the same time, pulling in the same direction, and we don

for people now they think of the lincoln book, but they think about the film. so these have become iconic. already early on into this book, i see scenes because of how you are writing. have you changed as you kind of walked back through history and created and analyzed it and distill it for people? do you think sinmatically? >> it's a subtle thing if it happens, but i'm aware having to worked to some extent reading the draft on lincoln. it was an earlier mini series about the kennedys. i try to make more physical details come to life as if somebody is going to know how to film this thing, but i'm not sure it's obvious because i love movies and they have become a part of my life. steven spielberg has gotten the rights to this one. the only one people think of is john goodwin. the funny thing about taft, he too, was able to make fun of hielf. but bizarrely his campaign song in 1908 was get on a raft with taft. if you got on a raft with a 350-pound taft, i don't think you'd be on the raft very long. he went on diets just as chris christie had the lap band surgery

that is why i wrote the manhunt book on the lincoln assassination. i wanted to write a thrilling aggregate by day moment by moment and even second by second account of what happened on this day. this is the saddest most incredible story in american history. shakespeare could have written this. this was the great american tragedy and i want to write a book for those who remember that day back to us as though we are experiencing it for the first time. for the younger generation didn't know the story whose minds have been polluted by crazed conspiracy theories, by movies that don't tell the trutk for the new generations that don't remember that day to tell them really what happened that day. >> you have done it. before we get to the events of the day that set the stage. president kennedy's first two years were not that terrific. the bay of pigs. he met khrushchev in vienna and he told "the new york times" he beat the hell out of me and then of course the berlin wall stem from that and khrushchev thought he could put nuclear-tipped missiles in cuba but a

lincoln, garfield, make italy and kennedy died, and one, reagan, survived his wounds. despite these different outcomes the shootings of kennedy and reagan have multiple parallels and similarities ended on a time when they serve as sort of a bookend to a very tumultuous and sometimes disturbing period in american history. kennedy's murder was the first in a series of tragic events that just made the nation in the 1960s and 1970s, chalking it is that in including assassinations of martin luther king, jr. and robert kennedy, both in 1968. in the public consciousness even though killers of king and the kennedy brothers each had different motives, the murders are seldom considered unrelated acts. they are instead you to conspiratorially as though they were collectively meant to frustrate level hopes for a more racially just society. conversely, less than two months after reagan's shooting and survival, pope john paul ii also survived an assassination attempt likely approve if not orchestrated by the kgb. compared to the calamities of the previous two decades, it seems as if

unlike lincoln who was killed a the pinnacle of his presidency the very week of the union victory in the civil war, neither kennedy's, nor reagan's shooting occurred at a key moment in history, but both became a key event in our national life. the assassination of kennedy and the near assassination of reagan profoundly shaped how we view each man. without these shootings, neither might have been considered a successful president, let alone great ones. the idea for my book sprang from a news story that i read in february 2011 in which gal line up announced that consistent with other polls taken during the previous 12 years, americans surveyed considers kennedy and reagan our two greatest presidents. they sometimes shared this position with lincoln, but they were consistently ranked ahead of washington, jefferson, fdr and everybody else. this is not, by the way, the judgment of most historians. there are a few historians that rank one or the other man as great or near great and some consider one or the other below average or even worse. but collectively, surveys of historians show that

bright and early on a thursday morning and for lincoln ellis it's time to get back to work. you're with green square--great to talk to you lincoln. it's been slow trading for a while. what do you think is going to be moving things forward going ahead? will we see a pickup in trading activity? > >interestingly enough, people will come back from the holiday really refreshed and renewed off the backs of now 30% gains in s &p 500. and they'll be looking to a couple of things. toward the end of the month we have the federal reserve meeting and earlier in the month we have the consumer electronics who really highlighting information technology. technology could be a very big story across 2014. > >that begins in fact next sunday and i know some people are thinking that the tech laden nasdaq may be a real high flyer in 2014. > >it could be. it's reaching levels that we haven't seen since the late 1990s and given the kinds of stock market gains that we saw, our best performance since 1997 and 1996 in the s &p and dow respectively. the technology sector, if we actually do get a capita

they enjoyed each other's company and lincoln didn't know much of the south other than what he learned while working in washington when southerners were willing to compromise and talk with him. jefferson davis feature president of the confederacy counted the number of northerners as his closest friends including including the antislavery new yorker who will be the future secretary of the state in the lincoln administration. the story was rumored to have nursed jefferson davis back to health during one of his fits of illness. these friendships and the washington experience help explain why davis and others were so surprised by the speed at which it took hold in the sadness by which they met the end of the union or what they expected to be end of the union. there is great scene at the end of this, jefferson davis and goodbye to his fellow congressman folding up his things and walking out of the capital weeping the entire way. it's not the picture we think of jefferson davis but even jefferson davis understood that this was a serious moment and this was a moment he was not necessarily exp

abraham lincoln and the future vice president of the confederacy, alexander stephens became very good friends while working in washington. they enjoyed each other's company and lincoln didn't know much of the south other than what he learned while working in washington with southerners who were willing to comprise and talk with him. jefferson davis, future president of the confederacy counted a number of northerners as his closest friends including william henry sue ward, the antislavery new yorker who becomes the future secretary of state in the lincoln administration. he was even rumored to have nurse jefferson davis it back to health during one of his fit of illness. these friendships and the washington experience help explain why davis and others were so surprised by the speed at which the session took hold and the sadness in which they met the end of the union. or at least what they expected to be the end of the union. there's a great scene at the end of all of this, jefferson davis saying goodbye to his fellow congressmen in january 1861. folding up his things, walking out of th

none ever us could say it better than abraham lincoln did. but we offer that prayer tonight to the families. so to the families of our fallen heroes from these and from other conflicts please know that they and you are in our thoughts and prayers. again i want to thank senator toomey and i yield the floor. i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: quorum call:

abraham lincoln is my name. >> i will be 23 next month. abraham lincoln is my name.uilding the party (deep, distorted electronic tones blaring) bender: this is a test of the emergency hypnotoad system. in the event of an actual hypnosis, you would go limp and watch whatever crap comes on next. coming up next, futurama! (fingers snap) (fly buzzing) (sizzling, hissing) professor, my fry-fro is all frizzy. okay. well, that's all. oh, also, i'm covered with severe burns. so? what of it?! well, why is... those things? (gasps) you mean you don't remember? nope, nothing. it's like when i passed out in college. except no one drew magic marker penises on my forehead. (sighing) well, i suppose it's for the best, considering the unbearable horrors you've endured. let's never speak of it again. it all began a few days ago. we were interstellar fugitives, on the run from the law.

they enjoyed each others company and lincoln didn't know much of the south other than what he learned all working in washington was southerners who are willing to compromise and talk with him. jefferson davis guy future president of the confederacy qaeda member including the anti-slavery new yorker who's going to become the future secretary of state in the lincoln administration. seward was even rumored to have nurse jefferson davis back to health during one of his big elements. so these friendships and the washington next year and help explain why davis and others were so is prized by the speed at which the session took called and the sadness in which they met, the end of the union or at least that they expected. there's a great scene at the end of all this be a jefferson davis saying goodbye in january 1861, holding up his things, walking out of the capital, weeping the entire way. it's not the picture rethink a jefferson davis. even jeb david sanders at this as a serious moment in a moment he was not necessarily expecting. what i want to leave you with tonight is this idea that was

lincoln was the 16th president. i think he was america's greatest president, probably in competition with washington. he was the de facto founder of the republican party. here again, this is an individual who if you examine what he said, what he wrote and what he believed, was not somebody who was a denigrator of government. in fact he expanded the powers of government, much as the founders did. lincoln really was the great interpreter of the founders, probably almost without question the greatest presidential interpreter of the founders time and again in his debates with stephen douglas and in this case against slavery used to go back to the declaration and explain what that meant. here again, i think it is worthwhile to go back to read what these people said, what they believed. now, it is important to say that i am not arguing it would not argue that the founders are lincoln magically appeared in 21st-century america they be happy with the size of government. i suspect it would be concerned. i am to one i spent a

we went there and saw president lincoln there. and then we looked across the mall to the far end. and i saw it as the national nut house. just the day before, the government had been opened. >> the national nut house would be the capitol? >> the congress -- >> the howpt howpts and house of representatives and the congress? >> you used the word wacko. >> i did use the word wacko. >> those people are crazy. they throw hundreds of thousands of people out of their jobs and they say it ultimately in the purpose of creating jobs. madness! you know, my life has been shaped by that kind of situation. madness, craziness on one end of our democracy and the shining ideals of our democracy, memorialized, in those monuments at the other end of the national mall. because incarceration of japanese americans was absolutely crazy! they didn't incarcerate the japanese americans in hawaii. that's the place that was bombed. but the japanese american population was about 45% of the island of hawaii. and if they extracted those japanese americans, the economy would have collapsed. but on the mainland,

. >> senator lincoln to you worry that the states are being seduced by these big-dollar figures?hat they are so focused on the financial upside that they may not be giving the same look at the social down side? >> absolutely. and i think you have to look at the downside. what if the three of us wanted to into in the makeup room and play online poker with the other two guys and we decide to rig it? law enforcement has told us that there is a danger to be able to launder money. they have great concerns and do not feel they have the capacity to be able to monitor -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> and here -- here is why. in terms of rigging the game -- the online poker software out there is proven. it has been proven all over the world. you can't collude that easily in online poker -- >> well, that's not what law enforcement tells us. [ overlapping speakers ] >> we have seen online operators going lou the brick and mortar casinos like mgm, those are the same ones that are worried about money laundering on the online side of things. >> okay. we have to hit a break. i promise we'll pick

if obama is into lincoln, he should see the movie where there's a scene where lincoln cut a deal withongress. >> you have about five times as many people watching the super bowl on sunday as watching the state of union speech. if someone shouts at the president or the supreme court justice mouths an objection. that makes news. >> we'll see what happens tomorrow night and hope he joins in the week ahead. appreciate you joining us. >> coming up new concerns over the anti-vaccine movements. are they making americans more sick? and a bitcoin mass and the twins claiming to have founded facebook. and we track the top stories on the web. what is trending? >> a 21st century parenting problem. why technology is a solution and concern for mums and dads with special needs skids. we ask what you expect to hear from president obama in the state of union address. check out some of the answers on aljazeera.com/considerthis and continue the conversation throughout the show. >> an explosive spread of childhood diseases that could be prevented by the use of vaccines is felt worldwide including in the u

what he liked about lincoln-- and some of this is seen in the movie-- was the messiness of lincoln. what does he mean? >> well, he means that politics, real politics, is a mess. >> rose: he likes that? >> this is the dilemma for me. >> rose: exactly! >> i'm not sure that he really does. he might like to see it played out but there is that antipathy toward fund-raising, dinners, cajoling, punishing. >> rose: they say that nobody fears him. nobody fears him. >> they say this on the international stage as well. >> rose: exactly. >> they say this on the international stage as well and relationships with leaders abroad are not the way they were between reagan and gorbachev or clinton and helmut kohl or the rest. i don't think that can count as a positive for barack obama, no. >> rose: it's an interesting piece. "barack obama: going the distance." what you will find here in this piece, a lot of what we have talked about here but also a real understanding of how one man who sits in the white house sort of sees the world that he lives within and his own take on the circumstances of his pres

angels envy port created in lincoln, he's in the bourbon hall of fame. his son wes is an entrepreneur looking to change the face of bourbon. and the innovation that is driving the bourbon renaissance. wes joins us now from the st. charles exchange bar in louisville. first i said louisville right, didn't i? >> ali, it was close. it was a good attempt. i'll give a b and we'll work on it. >> there is always room to improve. tell us about technology and bourbon. when i think of bourbon i think of an old american drink made in kentucky and some surrounding states from time to time. what is the technology that is used here? >> well, i think you nailed it, ali. that's the impression that a lot of folks have had of bourbon until recently. we've had a renaissance, a resurgence of bourbon drinking. we take bourbon and finish it in port casks or rum casks, things that we're doing, has brought bourbon back to a new age. it's reinventing bourbon for a younger demographic, as well as brought it back to the old demographic. >> tell me about the younger demographic. why

very true.s lincoln was the 16th president.i think he was america's greatest president, probably in competition with washington. here's a de facto founder of the republican party. here again, this is an individual who if you examine what he said, what he wrote and what he believed, was not was a denigrated of government. in fact he expanded the powers of government, much as the founders did. greatn really was the interpreter of the founders, probably almost without question the greatest presidential founders time the and again in his debates with stephen douglas and in this case against slavery used to go back to the declaration and explain what that meant. here again come i think it is worthwhile to go back to read what these people said, what they believed. it is important to say that i am not arguing it would not argue that the founders are lincoln magically appeared in 21st- century america they be happy with the size of government. i suspect it would be concerned. dealto one i spent a great of my time arguing for limited g