in his new book, "lincoln's last trial," abrams sheds light on a little known chapter in lincoln's life, the time between his debates with steven douglas and his eventual run for the presidency. during this time, as the book's title ill implies, lincoln took on his last great case as a lawyer which presented great personal and political challenges for him. christa rose, author of "the president's war," writes: lincoln's wartime leadership overshadows his life as a lawyer, but you can't understand one without the other. in this rich and previously are unexplored corner of history, the authors take you inside the courtroom to watch abraham lincoln at the height of his powers as a lawyer and on the edge of eternal fame as he tries a thrilling murder trial in front of a jury. .. >> thanks for coming. hi, everybody. great to have you out here and it's great to have you in town. this is a chance for dan and i to spend some time this afternoon. we've covered a lot of news to gather and it's terrific to be able to be a in conversation with him tonight appeared to get to know what i've done for

lincoln. and lincoln then encouraged him, don't sue in this case. he said there's plenty of other time to sue, there's plenty of -- you need to focus your attention on other things. another time, a man came to him and said i want to sue my neighbor for $600, and lincoln said i'm not going to take your case. you can make $600 a lot of other ways. go do that instead. i think that that mindset was something that was really important to lincoln's character. he probably could have made a lot more money than he did taking more of these cases, but he knew that it was better for a community if they could resolve their cases or resolve their disagreements outside of court, not go through the ugliness of a case, and so you see testimony after testimony of people who knew lincoln, who interacted with lincoln where they said after his death, yeah, that was the advice he gave me, not to pursue these kind of things in court. >> john, you have had hands-on experience as david nolan and louie gallo did with annotating the grant memoirs which is considered a classic

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lincoln. and lincoln then encouraged him, don't sue in this case. he said there's plenty of other time to sue, there's plenty of -- you need to focus your attention on other things. another time, a man came to him and said i want to sue my neighbor for $600, and lincoln said i'm not going to take your case. you can make $600 a lot of other ways. go do that instead. i think that that mindset was something that was really important to lincoln's character. he probably could have made a lot more money than he did taking more of these cases, but he knew that it was better for a community if they could resolve their cases or resolve their disagreements outside of court, not go through the ugliness of a case, and so you see testimony after testimony of people who knew lincoln, who interacted with lincoln where they said after his death, yeah, that was the advice he gave me, not to pursue these kind of things in court. >> john, you have had hands-on experience as david nolan and louie gallo did with annotating the grant memoirs which is considered a classic

i'll give an extreme example but it's from lincoln himself. they came to the attention of lincoln early in the as soon as black soldiers began to fight in the union army that the confederacy upon apprehending union black soldiers would summarily execute them. not white soldiers who would be captives of war but black soldiers would be killed. lincoln issued an executive were which i consider to be the most barbaric of his presidency. he said for every black union soldier shot by confederacy, one confederate soldier will be summarily executed. it's an order of almost unimaginable barbarity but lincoln realized how do we get them to stop? the only way to get them to stop is to do to them what they've been doing to us and in fact, the practice did stop and similarly now, how can we actually deal with the gangsterism of the left when we keep nominating one boy scout after another? bob dole,mitt romney, john mccain . unbelievably clean i guys with clean resumes. but as soon as he steps on the public stage within 15 minutes the left has converted him

these were sold in mass lawyer after lincoln's assassination -- volume after lincoln's assassination, well as cards,ts, mourning ribbons. there was a lot of money made from lincoln's death. ok? is one of my most interesting parts, postmortem photography. is anybody familiar with this? they actually are doing this again in hospitals when little , ores are born stillborn when they die shortly after they onlyorn, and it is the memory you are going to have of that child. this is what postmortem photography was all about. industry was in its infancy at the time, so many people had no photos of anyone in their family. so after they passed away, they would either taken by wagon to a local photographer, or the photographer would come to their house and take a photo of the child, either mother and father embracing the child. children would not be photographed in a coffin. they would be photographed in a natural state buying on a couch, sitting on a chair, or being held by their mother. these are some of the saddest photos i have ever seen. it touches the heart strings to lose a child. it is no

but we love abe lincoln. >> do you think he holds lincoln out as a goal post of sorts? book about abraham lincoln. i actually asked president trump when he got elected about presidents. and he said he never read a book or bioography of log innen. he just knows the cutout characteristic of linking with the beard and hot. that's what he reflects on. but i think he is being funny. he knows donald trump that the big criticism of him is that he doesn't seem serious main. he blew it in helsinki. he doesn't seem to be up to speed on understanding how history is a tool to guide him through his white house years. hence, he made the lincoln group. and it's so self-agrandizing, only lincoln maybe is better than me. but truth is if you look at presidential polls donald trump right now is ranking around warren harden and james buchanan. >> hold that thought for a second. because i talked about polls and abe lincoln in a tweet writing highest poll numbers in the history of the republican party and that includes abe linkin and ronald reagan. there must be something wrong. check that p

we also have on display a bit of lincoln's hair. removed from the side of the wound during the autopsy. several locks of hair are accounted for in the notes from those hours before lincoln died and during his autopsy. these are just a few of those that were cut and given away to different people. another object though that's on display relates again to dr. curtis. edward curtis a surgeon on the staff of the army medical museum is the assistant at the autopsy. when he got home that night the 15th of april, after the autopsy he discovered that his under shirt sleeve shirt cuffs were stained with the president's blood. and mrs. curtis cut those shirt cuffs off and they put them into an envelope which they signed and endorsed and this is one of those two shirt cuffs. both shirt cuffs are in the museum's holdings. just this one is on display. many of these objects had a diverse history. the fragments and hair were in the holdings of others for many year ands most were collected in the early 1950s by an army medical museum curator named h

that is mary todd lincoln in mourning with a very dim spirit of abraham lincoln behind her, and she really believed it was him. i am sure she paid dearly for it, ok? ok. now, on that side, does anybody know who that man is? yes, pt barnum, the master of humbug, trickster, huckster, confidence man. he knew how to get over on the public, entertain them and make money. he devised his own spirit photography pictures. he turns around and he confronts the other photographer and says, you are a fraud. a fraud telling a fraud he is a fraud, ok? all of a sudden the other photographer is taken into court in new york city for fraud. the key person to testify is pt barnum. [laughter] he testifies against him. it is amazing. he claims he had letters from the photographer stating it was all a fraud and how he did it with the double exposures, but when he gets on the stand, he has nothing to prove it, because it all burned in the fire had his museum. so, the case gets thrown out. the photographer continues to do his spirit photography. do you want to click? that was may 8, 1869. they made the headlines i

politely by lincoln. johnson meets him and he calls it the darky delegation, right? when they leave his secretary records this, nowadays we have hot mics, right, that catch people saying things, politicians sometimes are caught saying things that are really crude and awful, sometimes they just say it openly, but his secretary recorded this and johnson said about this black delegation that had come to plead with him for black rights, the right to vote, he had, led by the great frederick douglass, he says -- these are his exact words and i pardon my french because he was a pretty crude guy. one of the crudest american presidents, actually. he says, those damn sons of bitches thought they had me in a trap. i know that damned douglas he is just like any, quote, anythin r -- nigger. he is talking about a black delegation. rarely have we seen presidents talk in that manner. so his racism is acute. and johnson very quickly he has these sort of amnesty proclamations where he, you know, the quote he comes to power

lincoln did realize how do we get them to stop? the only way to get them to stop is to do them what they are doing to us. similarly now, how can we actually deal with the gangsters on the left? bob dole, mitt romney, john mccain. unbelievably clean-cut guys. mitt romney's resume is probably the most impressive since jesus christ. as soon as he steps on the public stage, within 15 minutes they have made them and to lucifer. how? mitt romney, you are a greedy capitalist, you got billions of dollars that you got stealing off of the backs of hard-working people. he doesn't know what to say. this is republican gentility. you go to trump, no one even tries this. you got too much money, he go sit down. you are misinformed, i have a lot more money than you think. it kind of doesn't work. it doesn't work. the left is not entirely enthusiastic about the book and movie. now, that is what i would call on'sretarded more on -- mor description of my movie. i do not claim that. [applause] dinesh: hillary was not a liberal. hoefler -- itler was not

i admit it, abe lincoln is tough but we love a lincoln. one of these guys when that ball came out, most popular, it was in the 90s, one of these guys can't miss a word, they see the paul, look at this.

but lincoln usually gets. whenever they have these rankings. that's an irony of history that lincoln was preceded by a president who is always ranked at the bottom, james buchanan and succeeded by a president who always belongs at the bottom, too, andrew johnson. andrew johnson, when he was put on the presidential ticket, of the republican party in 1864 -- this is the election that lincoln was going to lose, remember? the idea was that you would have a southerner on the ticket. it's quite clear by 1860 that the south was going to lose, right? people think this is the dying embers of confederate resistance. and johnson is hurt -- he was a senator from tennessee and he was such a staunch unionist that when his state leaves the union, he didn't leave. johnson is the only one who didn't leave. he is a staunch unionist. he says, no, i'll stick with the union. when the union actually occupies tennessee, he becomes the war time governor of tennessee. he is from non--slave holding origins, humble origins although he owns a few slaves. he represents the

lincoln. johnson meets him and he calls it the darky delegation, right? when they leave, his secretary calls, nowadays we have hot mikes that catch people saying things that they really -- you know, politicians sometimes are saying things that are really crude and awful. and sometimes they just say it openly. but, his secretary recorded this. and johnson said, about this black delegation that had come to plead with him for black rights, the right to vote, et cetera, led by the great fricke douglas, he said, these are his exact words, and i pardon my french, because he was a pretty crude guy. one of the crudest american presidents, actually. he said, those damned sons of bitches thought they had me in a trap. i know that damned douglas. he's just like any, quote, nigger, and he would sooner cut a white man's throat than not. this is the president of the united states talking about a black delegation coming to him. rarely have we seen presidents talk in that manner. and so his racism is acute. a

is not a continuation of lincoln. people said presidential reconstruction, yes there is a conflict of interest in being president of the united states and congress, who will control reconstruction? but lincoln worked with the congress, he worked with the republican party. johnson was really a man without a party. he does these things, like he would revoke these land grants that have been made by the freedmen's bureau, remember sherman's field number 15, all the abandonment land they had free people settle on, all the land, he takes it and gives it back to the planters. southern whites are complaining, they don't want black soldiers, they don't want black or meat union troops around. he did disband them. he is clearly working on his own plan for reconstruction. congress, when it reconvenes, and these are the things he is doing, is proclamations pretty soon after lincoln's death, congress when it reconvenes in december 1865 forms the joint committee on reconstruction. joint committee of the house and senate to decide wh

in terms of, was a grantor lincoln? >> so i don't know about lincoln but i do know grants riddled with alcohol. he absolutely did. >>. >> interesting this is really , everybody has their own niche. grant failed in any number of ways and sherman did too sherman was a failed railroad presidents, failed in banking in new york . he failed as an attorney and he didn't achieve that much in the army. he didn't even fight in mexico unlike john logan. he was stifled from these things and never found his niche and proved himself until 1864 and in a lot of ways he wasn't even a very good fishing. regular battle against robert e lee, is not going to win, but often, he had foresight that no one else had and i think part of it is this idea that i don't want to go back to the stereotype about creative people but you know creative people. sometimes they're alittle crazy . they see things no one else sees and once you start talking about that no one else sees, people think you are seeing ghosts. what planet is this guy operating on? tha

but he was able to deal with it the way lincoln was. what you learn is that those times of crises make it more possible, like apples all arrogance said great necessities create great virtues. so if there is a war depression you can mobilize the country but you can also, unless you have a fit, you have to be fit for the times.each one of my people, were actually fitted for the time. they might have been a leader as great at another time but fdr for example, someone that had gone to polio, who had learned that contagious optimism could help his fellow polio victims. he becomes present at the time up you will need the confidence and optimism. perfect timing for him. doris kearns goodwin, you mentioned that you been working on the book for five years but the genesis of the idea came earlier, didn't it? >> i think so. in graduate school studying political science and philosophy and we used to stay up at night, i thought about it a little bit in writing these books. it was in the middle of writing about their families and their colleagues and

was it grant or lincoln? >> they said he was alcoholic. >> i don't know about lincoln but i do know grant struggled with alcohol. he absolutely did. [ inaudible ] >> that's right. what's interesting about grant, everybody has their own niche, right? grant had failed in any number of ways and sherman did, too. sherman was a failed railroad president, had failed in banking in san francisco and new york, had failed as an attorney, and he didn't achieve that much in the army. he didn't even fight in mexico, unlike john logan. he was often stifled from these things and never found his niche and never really proved himself until 1864. in a lot of ways he wasn't even a very good tactician, like to fight a regular battle against somebody like robert e. lee, not going to happen. sherman's not going to win that battle. but often, he had foresight that no one else had. i think part of it is that idea that i don't want to go back to a stereotype about creative people, but you know creative people. sometimes they are a li

they talk about abe lincoln. honest abe. they say great things.udge jeanine: president trump saying some compare him to honest abe lincoln at tonight's alley. my next guest agrees and he knows how to rule up th -- knoww to rile up the left. his next movie "death of a nation" hits theater and the country this week. >> lincoln was elected to unite a nation and stop slavery. dem gnats feared him, went to war against him, assassinated him. the liberals, the people who wanted to improve society. judge jeanine: filmmaker and "new york times" best seller dinesh d'souza. i understand you have had some incredible premieres with distinguished guests at those premieres. how do you interpret what the president said tonight, based on your book, i actually read it, "death of a nation." >> we morph the head of lincoln and trump. this outrages a lot of people because they think how dare you compare trump and lincoln. on the face of it trump and lincoln temperamentally are quite different. lincoln is broogd, melancholy and philosophical. but there are situations t

at the same time that lincoln -- that booth was in ford's theater, his confederate lincoln , powell waslurking in the shadows in lafayette square. terribled been in a carriage accident. he had broken his jaw, almost died. he was in bed. powell said i have some medicine i have to deliver to the secretary. >> do we have a photo of powell? >> yes, we do. first, we have to get through the assassination. he finagled his way into the room, plunges the knife repeatedly into seward. assuming he was dead, he ran out and said i'm mad, i'm mad, ran out into the street. he got away temporarily. the only thing that saved seward was he had all these casts. he was very badly injured. i visited the seward house in auburn, new york. s kept everything. they actually still have the bloody sheets. anyway seward did live. ,there is powell, after he was hung.ed and before he was that was within 10 steps of where dan sickles shot philip barton key. a nice piece of ground there. >> [indiscernible] >> we will get to that, i think. now, we have to get into -- this is important. ok. the women's suffragists invent

the lincoln administration.en he became secretary of state, he wanted a grand house on lafayette square. he got one, which actually was the gentleman's club that had to close down after the very tragic -- after the shooting. he had that refashioned for his house. and lincoln would walk over there and they would sit down -- a sit around and trade stories and have a grand old time, talk strategy. closen idea of how everything was in the civil war -- lincoln could walk over to stewart's house. three houses up was general george mcclellan's headquarters, the former dolly madison house. around the corner where the hay spy, as, there was a confederate spy, rose her -- se, had so within sight of each other, these people all operating. the story here is during the lincoln assassination -- everybody knows about the lincoln assassination -- some people don't now it was part of a much larger plot than killing lincoln. john wilkes booth wanted to kill the vice president, andrew t,hnson, and secretary stewar and that would d

lincoln never wanted to speak extemporaneously. words matter and that's what worries me about the technical revolution and people are saying things without preparation and the dialogue becomes so course. we had this in the 19th century the last 40 years has exacerbated it. >> with the advent of instant messaging and social media as a historian are you fearful about losing the long form letters and dialogue that happens? >> i worry what will happen with historians 200 years from now. they will have much more stuff about the people now but they won't have diaries or letters. people don't keep diaries the way my people did. they don't write handwritten letters. there's nothing more exciting for a historian and looking over the shoulder of a handwritten letter and assuming your over the shoulder of that person i'm glad i went back in time . >> what did you learn about americans abraham lincoln and ambition?>> his ambition was so fiercethat at the age of 23 when ran for the legislature which is where i start his journey , i start his jo

at the same time that lincoln -- that booth was in ford's theater, his confederate lincoln powell was lurking in the shadows and nokia square -- in lafayette square. stuart had been a terrible carriage -- had broken his draw, almost died -- had broken his jaw, almost died. said i have some medicine i have to deliver to the secretary. >> do we have a photo of powell? >> first, we have to get to the assassination. theinagled his way into room, plunges the knife repeatedly into seward. as soon as he's dead, he ran out mad,aid i'm mad, i'm ran out into the street. the only thing that saved seward, he had all these casts. i visited the seward house in auburn, new york. they kept everything, they still have the bloody sheets. live. did arrestedfter he was thereng, that was right -- within 10 steps of where dan sickles shot philip barton key. a nice piece of ground there. >> [indiscernible] >> we will get to that, i think. now, we have to get into -- this is important. ok. suffragists invented the white house protest. still going on today. before they launched their campaign, nobody thought

the road to rising interest rates has been a very slow one, like the tarmac on this road near lincoln, rates have been flattened for nearly ten years. that changed today for one main reason, wages are on the move. after years in the doldrums they are rising at 2.7% per year, faster than prices going up in the shops, as employers struggle to recruit and retain staff. that prompted the bank to raise rates by just a quarter to 0.75%. although the economy does not look like it is moving very fast, according to the governor upward pressure on prices is growing. the overall level of pay is now finally outstripping the rate of growth and inflation. pay packets are growing faster than prices online and in the shops. what we want to do is to ensure that that continues to be the case, so the economy remains on track and people who are just starting to get ahead, those people in work, continue to get ahead. back on the roads the impact of unemployment at a 43 year low is clear. i am having to offer at least 15-20% clear. i am having to offer at least 15—20% more than i was three years ago for th

there are a lot more lincoln plays and movies in the 20th century than washington, because lincoln isan incredibly compelling human character. and washington is almost too good to be true, as henry adams said. so broadly, what we're doing at the constitution center is using live theater and digital experiences to try to tap the hamilton magic by telling stories. we have this great show, "freedom rising," with a live actor telling the story of america, which tells the story of the presidents. but nowadays, we have found often the stories of lesser-known founding figures are really compelling and help people connect. so we just -- we have this great "we the people" podcast i want you all to listen to. every week i call up the top liberal and conservative scholars in america to debate the constitutional issue of the week. and it's this elevating, thrilling educational experience for all of us. ask we just finished four weeks of figures of reconstruction, frederick douglass, john bingham, who wrote the 14th amendment and callie house, the african-american seamstress who advocated for labo

but lincoln came after tawny in the famous lincoln/douglass debates on thebred scott decision -- on thedred scott decision. and fdr and hughes were not personally enemies at all. they knew each other when they were both politicians in new york. and they had respect for each other. but, of course, fdr didn't like any new deal court decisions, and he came after the court. not necessarily after, not necessarily after hughes. and then you have, you have eisenhower and warren. i guess i think that the way the framers have set up our constitution with the separation of powers there's sort of built-in tension there. and it's probably healthy for the most part. and when, when a president -- a strong president, and all the presidents i've written about have been very strong presidents -- feel that the court which is, of course, an independent branch of the government is undermining or in some way obstructing what they see as the public interest, the presidents can come after them. and one way or another, and or certainly privately they do, thankfully, because they write their letters, and i get

abraham lincoln, john kennedy and doctor king. for different reasons they are all great american heroes. the series felt incomplete until i did this book. i've always wanted to do that. >> reading through this, you focus a lot on how he and martin luther king jr. finally intersected. what did you learn about james earl ray that you didn't know. the story has been told over and over but i found so many things in here that i personally did not know. what did you discover. >> much of ray's life reveals 1960s america. i always thought of him as a cipher, a mysterious nobility who came out of nowhere almost like a super oswald who we almost know less about him but he was a man on a quest that reflects were american was in the 60s. he grew up poor missourian lived in illinois. his family was poor. he had no shoes, torn clothes, teacher said he was repulsive dirty child. he was treated terribly as a boy. then he committed petty crimes and was imprisoned for 13 years. he held up a grocery store and they stole $120 and split $60. for that

there's a lot more lincoln plays and movies in the 20th century than washington because lincoln is such a compelling human character and washington is almost too good to be true as henry adams said. we have this show of freedom rising with a great actor. it's this elevating, thrilling, educational experience for all of us. we just finished four weeks on figures of reconstruction. it's a great way to connect. telling stories is crucial. >> you can do governor mars who wrote the we the people. there's a very sexy story. >> he lost his leg. i think it was john adams who said i think i lost another image. >> he was searching for the original more perfect union. >> we've got the beginning of the musical right here. he was quite a character. >> let's talk about the many modern depictions of lbj and movies since we're on the movie them right now. how does this librarian foundation respond, if at all, especially if they stray from the research. >> three dramatic depictions in recent years. a film by rob reiner called " "lbj "lbj." they did a marvelous job. ava did this story of selma which incl

there were a lot more lincoln plays than washington because lincoln is such an incredibly compelling human character with complex. and washington is almost too good to be true as henry adams said. what we're doing at the constitution center is using live theater and digital experiences to try to tap the hamilton magic by telling story. we have this great show freedom rising with a live actor telling the story of america which tells the story of the president. but nowadays we found often the stories of lesser known founding figures are really compelling and have people connect. we have this we the people pod cast. i call the top liberal and conservative scholars to discus the constitution. it's this elevating, thrilling, educational activity for all of us. we justifying youred on figures of reconstruction. bingum and callie house who abdicated for labor rights and just telling their story is a great way to connect. telling the stories is crucial and if we can do that james madison musical i think we'll be in great shape. >> you can definitely do the story of governor hall who wrote th

that is the lincoln memorial. when i think about all the things that involve the lincoln memorial, the civil rights march, marian anderson singing thehe lincoln memorial, all things there, the glorification of the president in that case was not appropriate. brian: i can go through the book and read some other headlines. "demagogues and ideologues cannot govern the united states," on march 16, 2017. 2017 "is trump acting like nixon during watergate?" " george washington is spinning in his grave." [laughter] mr. smock: objective historical facts, brian. [laughter] brian: would you ever write something like this? dr. baker: ray did it first, and better, so i would refer to ray. [laughter] mr. ritchie: it was always difficult when we wrote for the government. you have trouble writing about the people who are paying your salary. so it was always safe at first, as historians, to talk about the past rather than discuss the but we were called constantly by reporters who wanted information. they were writing a story, on de

below us because at this time in lincoln he's not a lincoln. my dad was a i five and i five. but the american dream is still alive i i don't know what to say about that honestly because it's just an american dream get so many subjects and honestly my parents. were. going to give me an education and to demo suppose that. and america i feel is still you know went off truly but you know things are changing. just says you know the u.s. is prospering and so are our countries and third world countries are slowly becoming more and more you know. like a logical developed yes exactly and so with things i doubt honestly i feel like you know the world is a lot more. you know has made a lot more potential no matter where you go. you're in arizona you are in for of the federal state see correct us. you're running for the u.s. senate. where are you now in your journey. of empowering women i have been on that journey of empowering women a very long time when i became a a civil rights and social justice advocate here in arizona basically i was running organizations going around the state tel

hello yes because this time in lincoln he's not a lincoln. high five one day i five and i five and the american dream is still alive i i don't know what to say about that honestly because it's just some american dream did so to me subject and honestly my parents. were. going to give me an education and for them i suppose that. and america i feel is still you know went off truly but you know things are changing. just says you know the u.s. is prospering so we're in a country and third world countries are slowly becoming more and more you know. psychologically developed yes exactly and so with things like that honestly i feel like you know the world is a lot more. you know has made a lot more potential no matter where you go. you're in arizona you are in fear of the federal state see correct us that you're running for the u.s. senate. where are you now in your journey. of empowering women to have been on that journey of empowering women a very long time when i became a civil rights and social justice advocate here in arizona basically i was run

the scene here, again1500 block of lincoln circle. it's right between the toll road and the galleria. off of international drive. we'll take you back out live at this point. again, we do have reports involving multiple people at this time. there's additional informationn we're wor to confirm before we put that on the air for you. workingll angles of that. another live update at 4:30. for now, i'm justin fink. >> thank you, justin. >> we'ren keeping eye on the fo cast. >> that's right, wtop is standing by. but we want to begin with sheen parveen. we're prepare for a heat wave. >> yes, it was hoty. yester i'm sure you guys felt the hot and humid. we're starting off hot and humid again. we're not going to see relief from the move tilt. it is a warm start this morning, temperatures in the low t d-70s. the radar is dry except for northern parts of calvert county. and sunderland, this is going to continue slowlyeandering west to east. the overall pattern as we go through today, the pressure bringing in hot and humid air from the southeast.

abraham lincoln had one. he was too old to serve. women often hired representative recruits and these were people who were vetted for honesty and sometimes they were veterans themselves. the substitutes, most people hired substitutes so they would be ineligible for the draft, at least for the three years that that substitute and listed. so i don't know. as for the money, that rose at the very end of the war, skyrocketed. in fact, the major piece of evidence that the civil war was a poor man's fight was the commutation cause. the $300 commutation clause that kept substitute prices down, because substitutes had to compete with that commutation clause. if you are drafted, you could pay $300 band out -- and be out of that particular draft. if you hired a substitute you good for us -- you were good for three years. substitutes were $500 to begin with, $600. once the commutation clause was removed in i think june of 1964, substitutes started charging a $1000 $1,100, $1,200, $1,500. georgia templeton strong said, i think it was in june 1964

we moved down here and went to lincoln savings down here. >> how much did you get?ally want to know? $30,000. for us that was quite a bit. >> capitalize on this, the bond sales men were told. the weak, meek, and ignorant are always good targets. >> the regulators are saying this guy is a disaster, man. we have got to stop this. by that time, keating had a construction company in arizona, thrifts in california. his tentacles were spread out to several states and he called on congress men and senators like that and said hey, get these dogs off my back. >> this morning the s and l crisis goes to capitol hill to look at five senators accused of intervening with federal banking officials on behalf of keating. the keating five are john mccain and democrats alan cranston, john glen, on donald regal. they received a total of $1.3 million in campaign contributions or donations to favored causes. >> edwin gray said the senators tried to subvert the regulatory process. >> i was told to come alone. i did. >> did you find that unusual? >> absolutely. never happened before. the w

the scene here, 1500 block the lincoln circle. this area by the dulles toll road, not far from international drive is where this took place at this time. at this time, no word on motive. but the suspect has been randied. veronica youngblood now being bond.d and held without at this point, we have not gotten the names of those two children shot, one of them dying overnight. awaiting any information police migh give that might link her to the two children. perhaps more of a m ive as well, what prompted her to possibly shoot those two children last night. ain, she's being charged with that. we'll bring you more details enfrom the we'll give you an update from the public informations officer in just a few minutes. we'll carry tha live for y and bring you more information as we get it as well. back to you in the studio. >> justin finch live in fairfax county.ha justin, you. it is 5:30. good morning, everyone. i'm aaron gilchrist. >> and i'm angie goff in forun yang. and jack taylor is here with the "first alert" traffic. before we get

you could trust me i was the president i think that if it was just for the record abraham lincoln did not look like that he kept us may look at it. people have all the warmth for a blink and i see that in their faces so you know i and other. abraham lincoln exactly now i'm going around your founding fathers i'm one of the most important i'm on your find don't know yet now i am an american a while so asked me what went on when i was president there was a civil war going on a very contentious a lot of anger but every sold out concert in correlate that. is far as the liberals and conservatives just want to put a little bit of us some political disputes of knowing north korea but a little bit of russia also all right what's going on leisure they were launching a plane back on monday yeah well the currently we're all friends of. the liberals on trying to say that we reveal much to trump and all the liberals of the russian liberals and we're cool that russia is not right and then russia pissed because they did not read the luncheon right and that now they're on our no they're well i have to

and president lincoln considered putting her under house arrest. her own memoir of her life under house arrest corresponds very much with pinkerton's account. i compared the two and i was surprised how both loved to exaggerate. they -- the details and the facts of what they told were quite similar. pinkerton's own account of how he was standing in the pouring rain he climbed on the shoulder of another detectives and peered through the blinds in her window. he saw a union army officer come in the door, take her hand, show her a map, and then walk arm in arm with her into another room. an hour later they came back, looked at another map and pinkerton heard them kiss good night. the officer took off down the street and pinkerton, still in his bare feet, took off after him. the officer -- it's pouring rain. the officer disappeared into the union headquarters. and pinkerton, the union man in charge of finding the officer, another union soldier, went right in after him. they didn't recognize. the union officers didn't recognize pinkerton who was their cl