so lincoln they knew lincoln had won almost immediately. and people as i said really expected the results right away. they didn't like it. and almost immediately people in south carolinain particularly started saying okay. we're getting ready to succeed but it was well known and people were ready to accept the result almost immediately. >> rachel sheldon is our guest talking about the election of 1860. i want to just gofer this brief timeline professor sheldon. lincoln is elected on november 6th of 1860, seven states begin succeeding from the union december 20th, 1860. abraham lincoln takes office in march off 1861. the civil war begins. april 12th, 1861, what was the transition period like for the incoming president? >> yeah. this period is actually full of all kinds of twists and turns. it's an unbelievable few months where -- you can't really predict what is going to happen so you do have very quick turn to successiony south carolina and then starting in january some of the other deep south states so you have the succession of seven deep

lincoln? he says, no. i bought a new pair of boots for this trip, and they're pinching so desperately. and the man wrote and said, i still see him getting on the streetcar alone. a lonely figure who knows what destiny awaited him. blah, blah, blah. lincoln knew what destiny awaited him. the destiny was to go right to the offices of the new york tribune, where he had deposited his manuscript up and make sure that they typeset it word for word the way he wanted it to appear. i think they had a pool arrangement because the next morning for newspapers carried the speech. one fortunately, with the audience reaction included. and lincoln supervises two rounds of galleys himself. that's how eager he is for this speech to be in circulation. the only bad part of this is that in the old newspaper days, when you finished with the original piece of paper and you're satisfied, you just drop it to the floor because you want to get it out of the way. it's done. and there is a man who comes around and sweeps up the floor

davis and lincoln had gone back many years. davis used lincoln as a lawyer. lincoln had served on the eighth judicial circuit in davis's dead several times. they had long worked together. they were great friends so davis goes to chicago and works with several of lincoln's friends both lawyers and politicians and they set out to capture the nomination for lincoln and they are very successful at the convention. there are only three ballots to get lincoln the nomination. this is really impressive. it's not so easy to do this in the democratic convention. they have a very old rule that says you have to capture 2 thirds of the delegates. this is not the case in the republican convention, so lincoln is nominated and there's a lot of party unity and it's a really big deal and hannibal hamlin is his vice presidential candidate. different kind of balance on that ticket, lincoln had come from one political party from the early 1840s called the whig party where hamlin had come from the democratic party previously. all the political machination, none is preordained, all

grant's relationship with lincoln, noting that grant liked deeply respected lincoln. but his idea of cooperating with lincoln was to communicate as little as possible to try to run his campaigns without white house or war department interference. and he's on that march in mississippi from grant golf to vicksburg. the couple detours. and he's run out of his supply line. he he does write a telegram. he said the telegraphic message got there eight days later, he sends a telegraphic message through halleck to lincoln. and he says, i have just begun the final move on vicksburg. now, think about what they're thinking. department stanton halleck, lincoln's getting around the telegraph route. here's a who was alleged to be a drunk. here's a general that had lost everything, every battle since shiloh. here's a general that had failed repeatedly. here's a general that didn't obey orders. here's a general that didn't communicate. and then he ends the letter saying, you won't hear from me for long time. those are exact works. it's a lot harder. these days, i can assure you. it's

so that leads us to lincoln. when what was your relationship with lincoln? i mean, were you a lincoln buff when you started before you did this? have you already read a lot him or. i'd read i had read some and i think, i think believe you grew up lincoln street, right? i did. i grew up. so i don't have those kinds of lincoln. but had had had read some about them. of course, had admired him. but no, i didn't come to it as either. admired me or lincoln. both. and so it an education for me, as you know, there are about 15,000 books on lincoln written. and so certainly didn't cover the literature but try to absorb well, it seems to me you read very deeply and richly seem to have was a great thing about lincoln is is is the best way to get to know him is the written record i think yeah. so, you know this the so compendiums of speeches and letters that he left behind is an incredible way to. get inside his head a little bit. yeah yeah i've always said that people the greatest lincoln was the collected writings i would agree. but you do you do the point that as gre

>> i first stumbled across the lincoln highway, the idea of lincoln highway in 2016 when the country seem to be going crazy and coming apart at the seams, i was looking for a different way into the story and a way that would allow me to explore what holds the country together as opposed to just what everyone was talking about which is what is tearing the country apart. and so, there have been lots of books that have been really great, about what is tearing the country apart and why we are so polarized and try to explain red america to move america. the idea behind this book was to dive into and explore what holds us together with the hope that we might be able to see a little bit more of ourselves on the other side, with the hope of challenging each party to look a little bit more critically. >> so, you just decided on the itinerary of the lincoln highway? just follow the road? >> yeah, so lincoln became this perfect device, tool, metaphor, something, for telling the story. and lincoln highway was the nation's first route to connect the east and west coast. dedicated in 1913 at the d

first the lincoln highway. he's got this great line paraphrasing slightly weird especially in government, no such thing as something wholly good or wholly evil. they are almost always a compound of the two and the trick is to figure out where the preponderance lies. it's such an obvious kind of thing, i think and so often, it's a foreign concept to people engaged in argument. if you can just help people to recognize it a little bit more, it helps to lower the volume and get people to accept that they don't need to get 100% of what they are after. >> well, seeing a lot of that, the thing that strikes me about so many of the people you see, they are not partisan in the sense that we think of here in washington. they are not party people. can you give an example, or a couple of examples of people sort of coming to this realization that they are not necessarily on the opposite side, not enemies, i guess. >> in south bend, indiana, i met with a woman who was a volunteer at an abortion clinic. it was very hard to ope

who many people love, lincoln there's a good reason for our respect for lincoln. it's easier than talking about this mass movement of people who are talking about war against slavery the democratic party, whatever their causes are, it is more ominous or something a little creepy there and inspiring at the same time. and so i think it's been a story to tell. but my second question was my eyes aren't. but seeing that cover. talk about the capes. i can't help but think of the kkk. yes, right. and they feed the same idea of we're going become an army and. yeah. or the nazi folks. and yeah, people see often their pictures and say it reminds them of nuremberg or something like that of a mass march and they come the kkk fascism. all these things have a similar genesis in this big public nationalist moment in the 19th century, and they go different directions. right. but we saw charlottesville marching with torches is striking for very different causes, very different. it has a public impact. and that's what mass movements want to do, whether it's anti neo-nazi, whatever

who many people love, lincoln there's a good reason for our respect for lincoln. it's easier than talking about this mass movement of people who are talking about war against slavery the democratic party, whatever their causes are, it is more ominous or something a little creepy there and inspiring at the same time. and so i think it's been a story to tell. but my second question was my eyes aren't. but seeing that cover. talk about the capes. i can't help but think of the kkk. yes, right. and they feed the same idea of we're going become an army and. yeah. or the nazi folks. and yeah, people see often their pictures and say it reminds them of nuremberg or something like that of a mass march and they come the kkk fascism. all these things have a similar genesis in this big public nationalist moment in the 19th century, and they go different directions. right. but we saw charlottesville marching with torches is striking for very different causes, very different. it has a public impact. and that's what mass movements want to do, whether it's anti neo-nazi, whatever

and i was talking about lincoln and one of the students stood up and he talked about lincoln. and the people told me later that he had never spoken in the class before, but just somehow hearing that somebody like lincoln had been through something that he was feeling anxiety and depression made him able to talk and they felt huge breakthrough. it happened at that moment. so i guess there's some hope, too, that if if young people can see what is that people go through, everybody goes through tough times in life, nobody is spared that. they might feel that they're not alone in what they're feeling. how important was it in your research of these four guys to have a friend, an ally mentor, someone who really believed in you like a joshua speed? i mean, think of gary ginsburg's book, first friends and important and significant of a role. i'm not family members, but but specifically someone who was not related but an ally, a friend or a mentor that got to where or helped get them to the highest office. i think the great example of that is lyndon johnson. he got to college. he decide

if you tell the story of 1860s lincoln many people loved lincoln. there's a good love and respect for him, it's easier than talking about the mass movement of people talking about war against slavery, the democratic party, it is more ominous. there is something a little creepy there and inspiring. >> my second question, my eyes are great but seeing the cover talking about the capes, i can't help but think about the . did they feed off the same idea of, we are going to become an army? >> people see the pictures and say it reminds them of nérnberg. the , fascism, all of these things have a similar genesis in this big nationalist movement in the 19th century. they go in different directions. we saw charlottesville. marching with torches is striking. very different causes, very different people. it has a big impact. whether it's anti-slavery or whatever it maybe it catches the eye. the wide awakes had a start for other movements to but it is troubling. you see these guys with torches and capes and it does not look like on the state or the story we wante

abraham lincoln, of course, if you negotiated it, you probably wouldn't even know who abraham lincoln was again, he said that on the anniversary of the worst attack on democracy since the civil war. and separately, he also weighed in today on the people in prison for attacking the capitol, comparing them to japanese americans in turned unfairly during world war ii scott jennings is back joining us also cnn political commentator bakari sellers, former south carolina state lawmaker bakari does it make sense to you, don, from things abraham lincoln should have negotiated and settled the civil war. >> well, first of all, nothing he said makes sense. i think what we're seeing is a very, very diminished me and i think that the person who is running for president of the united states today isn't the same person? who ran for president of the united states eight years ago. i think he, he calls it the, we've but for most of us who were listening, it's nonsensical he referred to abraham lincoln as probably a great president. and in this morning, i mean, what he did was he went to his campaign he

if he told the story as lincoln who many people love lincoln. a good respect for lincoln. is easier than talk about the mass movement of people talking about war against slavery. the democratic party per whatever their causes are. there is something a little creepy and inspiring at the same time. i think it has been a hard story to tell.>> seen the cover and you talk about the case. i can't help but think today they feel the same idea of we are going to become an army. >> people often see their pictures and it reminds them of nérnberg. they all have a similar genesis in this moment in the 19th century. they go in different directions. we saw charlottesville marching with torches. striking for dinner very different causes in people. it has a public impact. whether it is antislavery or whatever it may be it catches the eye. but it is troubling. a lot of people see these guys and it looks not like honest abe . it does not look like the store we wanted to tell ourselves. it is easier to leave them on the sidelines. mostly grassroots working-class kids who are not commending na

lincoln wants neither of those things. although at one point lincoln refers, to the awful arithmetic of the war, the ways in which we could host an overland campaign every season and the united states could go on because the north has so many more men. he is not committing to that. he's recognized that they will be able to outlast the confederacy, but he wants the bloody war at all possible because of importance of his political goals. last and it's and it's important not to understate this the degrees to which simple human charity and sympathy play a role here a piece of testimony from a confederate soldier, a guard at andersonville was commenting on the famous deadline at dersonville that the space around the perimeter of the wall and if soldiers breached that deadline, that his prisoners breached thadeadline, walked too close to the wall guards in the outpost, were entitled to shoot them. d as he's suggesting here in a private letter to jefferson vis, many of them did this just for the sake of killing someone. and as he

it is not just that lincoln and is notjust that lincoln and she did after the meeting, he said this is us and it should be of big issue. it should be the weakest part of the entire israeli position in the last here. they do seem to have the message, they are claiming something like 230 trucks were sent in which is way beyond what they have been doing recently and on that issue which does not get to the key war and peace issues in gaza or in lebanon, we have more influence on the israelis but if we tell the israelis that it but if we tell the israelis thatitis but if we tell the israelis that it is time to pack up and go home, i was on a call with them in 2006 when we told them that in lebanon and they had to go home, this time they do not listen to us until they are sure that october seven will never happen again. right now we are not at that point either with hamas or with his beloved. can they ever reach that point, do you think?— do you think? that is a very aood do you think? that is a very good question. _ do you think? that is a very good question. i _ do you think? that is a ver

and that is their goal for lincoln. it is to preserve the union. and, of course, in a very famous letter in 1862, lincoln will say that my goal is to preserve the union. i would preserve the union by freeing none of the slaves. i would preserve the union by freeing some of the slaves. i would preserve the union by freeing all slaves. but my goal is to preserve the union. now, what's fascinating about that letter to the new york tribune is he's already written the emancipation proclamation. so the nonsense about freeing none of the slaves is simply his political argument. directed at northern, it has nothing to do with the reality. by the time lincoln that letter more than 100,000 slaves have not only been freed but are working in civilian capacities for. the united states army. he has already signed the militia act of 1862, which, for the first time since the revolution authorized, since the enlistment of blacks as soldiers in the united states army. and so his i would free none of the slaves simply is not on the table and the goal is to free all t

lincoln's a very smart guy. he knows exactly what he's he's trying to get as much support possible for move personally. what personally lincoln's he won't course he wants to kill slavery but he's dealing with a nation that's 45% democratic and abolition in make up a tiny percentage of the white population of the united states. and it's not a number that's growing rapidly it's a static number. most people loathe abolitionists, troublemakers who upset the stability of the union. so i don't think there's ever that change. and i think and i'll make one more point here, people want to understand reconstruction, understand that about attitudes. the united states, it makes make to reconstruct an understandable there's not some great withdrawal from a commitment on the part of the white north in behalf of black people. that commitment is never really there. and one element i mean, people in northern states vote down suffrage for black men. at the same time they're telling former confederate states they have to the 15th

he says, will i vote for lincoln or will i vote for mcclellan. he said i would rather vote for jefferson davis than mcclellan because jefferson davis is an honest trader unlike mcclellan. weirdly, mcclellan is also on my tie though i don't know why. the alternative theory of four to the gingerbread war is by the greatest theorist of the 19th century. that is clausewitz. he says, war is an act to compel our enemy to do our will we must render the enemy power list. -- powerless. humane war kills more people, elongates the war and makes it much worse. what you should do is smash the enemy, destroy the enemy and get rid of their ability to fight the war and that is humane because that will and it quickly. you want to see a good example? you look at the second iraq war where the united states destroyed the army of saddam hussein in about 10 days. it was shock and awe. unfortunately the mop up and the peace never happened and took forever and took many more lives than the war. that is one way to think about the conflict between the gingerbread war and

for lincoln, it is to preserve their union. of course in a very famous letter in 1862, and can will say that it is my goal to preserve the union. i would preserve the union by freeing none of the slaves, some of the slaves, freeing all of the slaves. my goal is to preserve the union. what is fascinating about that letter to the new york tribune, is that he has already written the emancipation proclamation. none of the freedom about the slaves is his political argument directed at northern conservatives. it has nothing to do with the reality. by the time that lincoln wrote that letter, more than 100,000 slaves have not only been freed, but are working in civilian capacities for the united states army. he has already signed the militia of 1862, which for the first time since the revolution, authorizes the enlistment of blacks as soldiers in the united states army. i would free none of the slaves, simply is not on the table. the goal is to free all of the slaves. as he says in the letter, this reflects my position as president. my

so so lincoln lincoln's attitude, lincoln's attitude was that, you know, we're not going to we're notre not going to surrender for fort sumter. but remember, at this point, he is not yet officially the president of the united states. he has been elected. but but lincoln had i'm talking still in the period of of 1860, in the early part of 1861, before the inauguration, lincoln is enough of a lawyer to know that that not enough of them respecter of the constitution, legality of things that that that he is not going to be president until two things happen the electoral votes are counted and his inauguration place on march 4th, 1861. interestingly, by the way, the two moments of grave national concern in 1861, prior to the start of the civil war, where would electoral count come off as as it should? and would the inaugural come off? would lincoln actually a, make it to washington? b, would he actually and would the inauguration happen? so, i mean, doesn't that sound familiar you're right and so so so lincoln decides that he doesn't want throw gasoline onto this fire that's already burning

lincoln and reaganism. it ends it ends on 911. and i on george bush's campaigns and the promise of what george bush was doing with being very pro immigration, pro hispanic pro diversity. if you i guess, in today's parlance, was that confidenc

now you're better. >> what about lincoln? what about abraham lincoln? nope, you're better they said, i'm tougher on the border than abraham lincoln right? then honestly a boy, my source tonight is the filter prize-winning presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin, who is also the author of the new book, the leadership journey. >> how four kids became president and doors and so great to have you in your as a student of history, have you ever had a former president claimed that they were the greatest president the us had ever had there's not a single president that i know that has ever claimed that. >> and you know, when you think of it, i mean, it's an impossible thought for a president no matter what he says, to determine how history is going to regard him. it's going to be generations of historians who will look back at the presidency. it's going to be public sentiment over a period of time. and no matter what so far george washington and abraham lincoln, after 250 years, historians and the public sentiment claim they are the greatest so that histor

i have written about lincoln nebraska while living in lincoln nebraska with all the resources available but for cather she needed that distance in order to write about it, not to be immersed in it . even in my antonio the fact that jim burton travels back to thewest , he's on a train talking to the stand in figure for willa cather who is the narrator but then he is a new york railroad lawyer so he in fact likes supposedly his narrative of antonio in his apartment in new york and brings it to willa cather and presents it and says this is what i wrote . you didn't write your thing, this is my thing so i think that distance is really important. >> you have another selection to read for us. >> yes i do. this is from earlier in the novel . i was reading about encounter with otto fuchs the cowboy and this is a prairie garden seen . he has gone out into the garden with his grandmother. i sat down in the middle of the garden and this is where he asked to be left in the garden where snakes could scarcely approach unseen and leaned my back against a warm yellow pumpkin . there were brown cherry b

lincoln and reaganism. it ends it ends on 911. and i on george bush's campaigns and the promise of what george bush was doing with being very pro immigration, pro hispanic pro diversity. if you i guess, in today's parlance, was that confidence, the universality. a 911 the administration changed the party changed and the country changed and you saw that stuff that was pat buchanan back in the dark corners of conventions become the dominant isolationist protection. this nativist and that's not conservatism as i know it. so i reject the idea that there's know populist conservatism, that those are two diametrically opposed ideologies. it's like being a dodgers of the giants. and, you can't do it. you want to think you can, but you really. yeah. so you so this was became a driving for you and other conservatives to start the lincoln project. yeah. which you worked on in 2020. talk about your work on that and this idea of the bannon line. yeah so you know i got a call from a reed galen one of the eight members wh

i've written about lincoln nebraska while living in lincoln nebraska and it's been very helpful.ut for cather she needed that distance in order to write about it. even ends up on the fact that he travels back to the west in these ont, a train and willa cather is the introduction a reader that he's a lawyer. it's his narrative ofn the wila cather in his apartment in new york and he brings it to willa cather and presented and says this is what i ia wrote. thiss is my "my antonia" so that's important. you have another selection. >> yes, i do. this is early in the novel so earlier i was reading about the early encounter with a cowboy and this is a garden theme. they had gone out into the garden. i sat down in the middle of the garden and this is where he asked to be left in the garden while his grandmother and grandfather warned him about snakes. i leaned my back against the worn yellow pumpkin. there were some ground cherry bushes growing along with the group but i turned back to the sheath that protected the various. giant grasshoppers twice as big as any i've ever seen were doing

[canta] sandoval: lincoln heights es historia y tradiciones. >> cuando pienso en lincoln heights, piensoedo comer comida tÍpica. pienso en mis amigos y amigas. sandoval: un vecindario donde, segÚn residentes como lisa arroyo, aÚn se puede disfrutar la tranquilidad de una simple tarde en el parque. arroyo: es un lugar muy hermoso. sandoval: sin embargo, el 25 de abril de 2011. >> nunca dejamos a mis hijas salir solas. sandoval: un aire muy distinto se respiraba en este barrio. segÚn darling duran. duran: las llevaba a la escuela, las recogimos en carro. sandoval: la muerte, segÚn ella, rondaba por las calles. una joven llamada michelle lozano, de 17 aÑos, acababa de aparecer asesinada el domingo de pascua a orillas de la carretera interestatal 5 y la avenida cÉsar chÁvez. aunque durÁn y su hija briana no conocÍan a la vÍctima, el miedo y la tristeza, dice, se apoderaron de ambas. duran: nos pusimos a pensar en la familia de michelle, que quÉ horrible que ha pasado lo que ha pasado y cÓmo le pueden hacer algo asÍ. >> ahorita vamos al este de los Ángeles. michelle lozano, ella saliÓ de su c

and abraham lincoln why lincoln has become a hero to the oppressed people all over the world because he lived and died for freedom and equality and because he led the country through one of its greatest crises. he believed that government of the people by the people and for the people should not perish from the earth. well bill, washington and jefferson and lincoln are dead. they began our democracy, but they knew the job would have to be finished by those who lived after them. and they knew that this democracy would last only as long as its citizens were willing to keep working on it. it's our government bill. from here on it's up to us. all right right. we've almost made it through a day. these seminars go by so quickly. it's hard to believe we're already at the last presentation for saturday and

look, we used to have the greatest, abraham lincoln — to have the greatest, abraham lincoln. can you believe what we are doing? she is so bad, she is so — are doing? she is so bad, she is so bad~ _ are doing? she is so bad, she is so bad~ it— are doing? she is so bad, she is so bad. it can't happen. although _ is so bad. it can't happen. although the way wings go in this country nowadays, i guess it probably could. that's why we want _ it probably could. that's why we want to build up a lead, we have _ we want to build up a lead, we have got— we want to build up a lead, we have got to build up a lead because _ have got to build up a lead because such bad things, and we have _ because such bad things, and we have got— because such bad things, and we have got to do it. joining me now is allan lichtman, distinguished professor of history at american university. he has correctly predicted the outcomes of all us presidential elections since 1984. today, we're seeing a little war of words, after kamala harris released her medical records and accused donald trump of a "lack of trans

overwhelmingly, they supported lincoln, the party of lincoln republicans. learn a little bit more about the two men we're talking about. rutherford hayes and samuel tilden rutherford b hayes, of course, served as president from 1877 to 1881. he was born in 1822 in delaware, ohio, just north of columbus, attended kenyon college, harvard law school. he was wounded in the civil war. he was a colonel and then a general in that war for the union. he was a member of the house of representatives. governor of ohio. what distinguished what distinguished him in your view? a great question. i think one of the really fascinating things about this election is i think the two candidates in some ways, you could describe as polar opposites, as you mentioned, hayes was prior to this point, not very well known nationally. he was very prominent in ohio, his home state, where he had gradually risen up through the political ranks. he had served briefly in congress. and then, as you mentioned, as the governor of ohio, really, it was his military service during the civil war that

i think he met with lincoln twice.se were lincoln sons are having their hair barbed and chatted with lincoln will that was going on parade there is some sense he might've lobbied lincoln a bit to speed up the emancipation proclamation. that's not really recorded there seems to be a sense he might've urged him to because emerson thought it was going too slow. emerson had doubts about lincoln early on. but as we got deeper to the civil war when the emancipation proclamation tooko place he cae to admire it lincoln. he didkn not know him well personally but he admired him very much. >> sure. >> thank you very much for. >> thank you everybody, i really appreciate it. [applause] >> if you ever miss any of c-span's coverage you can find any time online at c-span.org. videos of key hearings, debates and other events feature markers that guide you to interesting and newsworthy highlights. these points of interest markers appear on the right-hand side of your screen when hooked play unselect videos. this timeline told makes it e