and lincoln said yes there are. douglas said know there aren't. lincoln said the declaration of independence is the golden apple and the constitution is a silver frame. that is an image drawn from the bible and it means the declaration is -- sets out the ultimate purpose of our government and the constitution exists to achieve that purpose and lincoln asked again and again why is this philosophical statement there in the declaration? the american revolutionaries could have said you are not representing us. we have a list of 20 grievances. we are splitting. see you later. instead they put this philosophical statement in that document. lincoln's answer for why it is there is encapsulated in this statement. all honor to thomas jefferson, the man who in the concrete pressure of a struggle for national independence had the coolest, forecast and capacity to introduce into a nearly revolutionary document an abstract truth applicable to all men at all times and to embalm it there that today and in all coming days it shall be a review and stumbling block to

after lincoln's second inaugural address, douglas was held up in line. ant to let him andbecause he was black, - lincoln said, what did you think about the speech? he said, it was a sacred effort. because of the emancipation, not for the first time in the united states, our military became a great source for liberation. thousands of slaves flocked to it. the front lines became great moving camps of friedman, and at the end of the war when lincoln entered bombed out in richmond, word began to spread that he was there, and you have laborers coming out. the whites of richmond were not so thrilled. they fell on their knees in front of lincoln, and he had to say, do not kneel to me. you must neil to god only and thank him for the liberty you will enjoy. we should not sugarcoat of lincoln. he has the racial attitudes of his time, but you can see slowly during his administration his mind change, and the reason it change is because blacks were able to serve in the military and served with honor. blacks made up about 9% of the military. lincoln wrote a famous lett

people would go to a lincoln douglas debate and want more. n, lincoln gave an hour and a half speech, closely reasoned, a lot of legal, historical, constitutional evidence. people didn't leave, they wanted more speeches. everyone on the house committee was up there on the podium, up on there -- up there on stage with him saying, give us more speeches, we want more speeches. you had nighttime marches with people carrying torches called the wide awakes. i thought of that when i was covering the ron johnson senate campaign in wisconsin. everyone at these rallies would say, we woke up, we're finally awake. made me think, you're wide awake. such a wovenderful thing. he would love the reverence for our founding. what lincoln believed ultimately, and i think this is correct, we like to think of the constitution as our ultimate protection. it's not if you lose the people. public sentiment and public opinion is everything. that's why you need people involved and engaged with every fiber of their being and you need to be pushing on all fronts with every

and lincoln said, yes, there are. douglas said, no, there aren't. ncoln said the declaration of independence is the golden apple and the constitution is the civil ver frame. that's an image drawn from the bible. what it means is that the declaration is the ultimate purpose, sets out the ultimate purpose of our government, and the constitution exists to achieve that purpose. and lincoln asked again and again, why is this philosophical statement there in the declaration? the american revolutionaries, they easily just could have said, look, you are not representing us. we have this list of 20 grievances, we are splitting, we'll see you later. but instead they put this philosophical statement in that document. and lincoln's answer for why it's there is encapsulated in this statement. all honor to thomas jefferson, to the man who in the concrete pressure of a struggle for national independence by a single people had the coolness, forecast, and capacity to introduce into a merely a revolutionary document an abstract truth applicable to all men and all time

people would go to a lincoln douglas debates and listen for three hours and one more. at cooper union, lincoln gave an hour and have speech, lots of legal, historical, constitutional evidence. he gives this speech. people did not leave. they wanted more speeches. everyone up there on the stage with him, "we want more speeches." you have these nighttime marches of people carrying a torch is. when i was covering the ron johnson senate campaign in wisconsin, because everyone at one of these rallies was just saying, "we are finally awake." that is such a wonderful thing. he would have loved the reverence for our founding. what lincoln believed ultimately, and i think this is correct -- we like to think the constitution is our ultimate protection. it is not if you lose the people. public sentiment and public opinion is everything, and that is why you need people involved and engaged with every fiber of their being, and you need people pushing on all fronts with every means you can to change public opinion and shift the center of public opinion. that is why -- you are mention

lincoln and douglas had hours to do their debates back in the day. tv time's a little tighter.to make a good start on this. >> all right. >> tell us how you see the mega debate shaping up between conservatives and the kind of left or center left in this era? >> well, these days the moral movement we are experiencing is, of course, the tea party movement, which actually sees the forces that are fighting against, or have fought politically against the pris traditional free enterprise, that characterizes our country under the ideas of our founders and under the ideas of our ancestors who came here to this country not for a better system but for redistribution, the very freedom to earn their success. the way i see it and the way most americans see it, perhaps the way you see it, too, a battle between people who want free enterprise as a cultural matter and those who bridal against it for which you have sympathy saying that it goes beyond american culture. something we have to deal with in terms of policy. >> here's, arthur, where i think, my view is that, to cast it so starkly as r

the point of the lincoln douglas debate was not compromised.nt of churchill's we shall fight on the beaches speech was not to compromise with hitler. we have different views of the government. the role of government and the role of raising taxes and what the government should be doing and what we should be paying the government to do and we are going to fight about it and are will make my point the best icahn. >> host: do you think law school held view? >> guest: i hate to admit anything good about law school whatsoever. one thing that i think most lawyers who become writers in general are better at or at least have a more natural inclination to understand the other point of view to see two sides to argue against the best version of the other side's argument and not to build strong -- it doesn't work in court. doesn't work in a book and if anything i write my book too much like a legal brief and i end up cutting some of the counterarguments i am making before anyone made the argument. >> host: the first chapter of high crimes and misdemeanors.

he also beat lincoln. 1858 senate race. douglas won the erection teeseven election. he had a request. it was to become the president of the united states. he tried to do that by convincing this nation from the fighting over slavery. so the issue of slavery and the vision of thomas jefferson begins to become intertwined. starts here. the united states won the mexican war in 1848. in doing so the treaty that ended the war, the united states acquired this land in yellow. very quickly the question came up for the louisiana purchase, slavery because seveners, probably you could. that compromise line was not going to work. it was not going to maintain parity between free states and slave states. many of the state lines that douglas affected dealt with at missouri compromise line, and it dealt with in this bill. 1854, which douglas wrote. in this map the red line is the missouri compromise line. .. >> initially, he proposed the southern border of kansas at 36 degrees. it made it adjacent to the top of texas which entered the union in 1845, it followed along the bottom of mi

prisoners of war in camp douglas and chicago and camp morgan and indianapolis and hopefully take over the government because there was a lot of copperheads, people opposed to lincoln. that conspiracy collapsed but tom hines became known as the most dangerous man of the confederacy as a result. after the war john m. porter and tom hines would be law partners in bowling green, kentucky. john m. porter would be elected commonwealth out of warren county and tom hines was elected circuit judge and a judge on the kentucky court of appeals which is the highest appellate court became chief justice of kentucky. i practice law and i have got to the supreme court many times. when you file your petition or whatever you are filing there's a portrait behind the counter and it goes almost from the ceiling to the floor of this man with his arms folded brooding at you. that is chief justice tom hines. he welcomes you every sign you file something in the supreme court of kentucky. these three guys set out to find john hunt morgan and they come into lexington. they surge around lexington and try to get from union occupation people and they know where morgan is. they set about wander

prisoners of war at camp douglas in chicago and in indianapolis and hopefully take over the government because there was a lot of copperhead strength. people who were opposed to lincoln. that conspiracy collapsed. tom hines became known as the most dangerous man in the confederacy as a result of his exploits. after the war, john porter and tom hines would be law partners in bowling green, kentucky. and john porter would be elected commonwealth attorney briefly out of warren county, and tom hines, his partner, was elected circuit judge and then a judge on the court of appeals. which was the highest appellate court in the state. he became chief justice. i practice law. i've gone to the supreme court of kentucky, many times. when you go into the clerks office and file your petition or motions or whatever, there's a portrait behind the counter. it and goes almost from the sealing to the floor of this man with the arms folded, kind of bruting at you. and that's chief justice tom hines. so he welcomes you every time you file something in the supreme court what is now the supreme court of kentucky. but these three guys set about to find morgan. and they come into lexington.

war come kim douglas in chicago and more ten in indianapolis and then hopefully take over the government, and because there's a lot of copperheads strike of their people opposed to lincoln, and so that conspiracy collapsed. but tom hines became known as the most dangerous man in the confederacy as a result of the exploits, and after the war jon porter and tom hines would be law partners and boeing greenup kentucky and john porter would be elected the commonwealth attorney briefly out of the county and tom hines, his partner, was elected a circuit judge, and then a judge on the kentucky court of appeals which was the highest appellate court in the state, and he became the chief justice of kentucky triet malae practice law, and i've gone through the supreme court of kentucky many times and when you go through and file your petitions were your emotions or whatever you are filing, there is a portrait behind the counter and it goes almost from the ceiling to the floor of this man with his arms folded and that's the chief justice tom hines. so he welcomes you every time you fall something in the supreme court. but now the supreme court of kentucky. but these three guys set ab

douglas in the senatorial campaign. the republican party's slogan was vanquished with consolidates catholicism and slavery going hand in hand. i should tell you full disclosure abraham lincoln hated religious bigotry but follow the republican party line because it was very effective among the base. we heard in politics that the base with protestant working men in the small towns in farms and in the midway at -- midwest this resonated to the constituency so it was named under that slogan. >> now we're joined by the director of marketing for dk publishing. please start by telling us what the k publishing is. >> and illustrated reference publisher with offices all over the world and in the u.s. office we handle the distribution -- . >> it looks like you published a lot of the smithsonian bookspan macquarie do program a wonderful partnership in are happy to work with them and have some fantastic books. >> let's start with civil war. >> this is already been doing quite well. it came out this spring and was sit-in by jim barber and his is a beautiful visual history of the entire civil war pictures and artifacts puts you in the middle and gives you a sense of what it is like to be

douglas. hip, hip, hooray, hip, hip, wore ray, hip hip wore ray. >> then the leading man marched in and gave notice, the moment lincoln was true that they would proceed for they did not want to hear me in reply. another fact that i have here. a newspaper printed in springfield, this is lincoln's own town in october 54, few days afterwards, publishing these res lugzs and charging mr. lincoln as entertaining those sentiments and also trying to prove that mr. riardates, the candidate for congress did. those have been published on lincoln again and again and never before has he denied it. but my friends, this thing of denial about acting on the committee is miserable quibble to avoid the main issue. the main issue is that this republican platform declares in favor of the unconstitutional repeal of the fugitive slave law. has mr. lincoln answered that question? >> no. >> i call his attention to it and i predicted that eld not answer it. and how does he answer it? heppearses by saying i wasn't on the committee that wrote it. and i received the next question about rtricting slavery in those states in which it exists. i asked him to answer that is it so? yes