and that douglas captain lincoln countered lincoln had said he wouldn't let slavery expand anywhere, and douglas kept saying does that mean you're against the acquisition of new territories? and finally after trying to parry the question for most of the debate, lincoln finally explodes in a fifth debate at the galesburg, illinois, at knox college and he just says, if it means slavery going southward, yes, i would probably oppose that kind of acquisition. douglas healthier chunk lincoln on the issue because most americans favored territorial expansion. but in the long run, lincoln's position helped him get elected president of the united states. lincoln was very worried about the future of slavery in the union. the viewpoint of lincoln at his new republican party was that they did not need to threaten slavery where it already existed in the union. some radical abolitionists like william lloyd garrison wanted to begin the abolition of slavery immediately, even in the southern states. but lincoln and his party realize the constitution gave certain protections to slavery as an institution

did you know what lincoln-douglas was? lincoln-douglas was a series of seven debates, and each one lasted three hours on a single subject. what to do about the extension of slavery? that was the subject. and for 21 hours, these two candidates in the senate debated this one issue. and i don't think that that's going to happen from the issue of entitlements. but something like it has to happen. something like it has to happen to smoke it out, because otherwise the next presidential election will become what every election has been done, has been in recent history, and that is frivolous. >> bob, i wanted to get a question before, i know you can have to leave is a little early. i would like to introduce my begin this come if you're wondering we didn't introduce her at the beginning. maya is president of the committee for responsible federal budget. and we will be hearing from maya as well, but bob, before you leave, jack had mentioned that debate in iowa where the republican candidate felt they would reject a 10-1 deal. and ho

debates, talk about you know what lincoln douglas was?ln douglas was a series of seven debates. each lasted three hours. on a single subject. but to do about the extension of slavery. that was the subject. 21 hours these two candidates debated this one issue. happen think that will on the issue of entitlements. to.thing like it has otherwise the next election will been.t every election has frivolous. i want to get a question. with didn't introduce you at the beginning. she has the campaign to fix the debt. a. will be hearing from may you mentioned that debate in iowa. they would reject a 10-1 deal. thehave some advice for regarding candidate? >> i think it will rest with the press. are at least as good as republicans on skating on this. forecasting the moment this would get ugly is now. 2014. looks different in the next 10-15 years. if you win, you will cement a budget in 2017. over 90% without taking changes in mandatory programs. the thingsfund all you want to find? keep our nation strong. fund it at a fair level. infrastructure and edu

when they talk about debates, you know what lincoln douglas was? lincoln douglas was a series of seven debates. each lasted three hours. on a single subject. but to do about the extension of slavery. that was the subject. 21 hours these two candidates debated this one issue. i don't think that will happen on the issue of entitlements. something like it has to. otherwise the next election will be what every election has been. frivolous. >> i want to get a question. with didn't introduce you at the beginning. she has the campaign to fix the debt. we will be hearing from maya. you mentioned that debate in iowa. they would reject a 10-1 deal. the have some advice for the regarding candidate? >> i think it will rest with the press. democrats are at least as good as republicans on skating on this. forecasting the moment this would get ugly is now. 2014. looks different in the next 10-15 years. if you win, you will cement a budget in 2017. over 90% without taking changes in mandatory programs. how do you fund all the things you want to find? keep our nati

when they talk about debates, you know what lincoln douglas was?ln douglas was a series of seven debates. each lasted three hours. on a single subject. but to do about the extension of slavery. that was the subject. 21 hours these two candidates debated this one issue. i don't think that will happen on the issue of entitlements. something like it has to. otherwise the next election will be what every election has been. frivolous. >> i want to get a question. with didn't introduce you at the beginning. she has the campaign to fix the debt. we will be hearing from maya. you mentioned that debate in iowa. they would reject a 10-1 deal. the have some advice for the regarding candidate?

it became the rallying point in lincoln douglas and the halls of congress in newspapers and conversations throughout the nation's. su session prompted the civil war but the case lit the fuse. second, the supreme court decision cat lized the process of constitutional amendment. president lincoln's emancipation proclamation was a start to ending slavery but many questioned its legality and only applied in states in rebellion which did not include missouri. amending the constitution was necessary to abolish slavery and erase the lingering cloud of the dred scott decision. third, the opinion not only highlighted the constitution's deficiencies, it also highlighted the text and structures by which to fix it. those remarkable amendments, particularly the 13th and the 14th, draw on the language of those subjects of the dred scott case, the 13th amendment language that neither slavery nor involuntarily servitude shall exist was taken directly from the northwest ordinance that chief justice taney had declared invalid and if there was any remaining doubt that congress had the authority to supplemen

it became the rallying point in lincoln douglas and the halls of congress in newspapers and conversationsroughout the nation's. secession prompted the civil war but the case lit the fuse. second, the supreme court decision catalyzed the process of constitutional amendment. president lincoln's emancipation proclamation was a start to ending slavery but many questioned its legality and only applied in states in rebellion which did not include missouri. amending the constitution was necessary to abolish slavery and erase the lingering cloud of the dred scott decision. third, the opinion not only highlighted the constitution's deficiencies, it also highlighted the text and structures by which to fix it. those remarkable amendments, particularly the 13th and the 14th, draw on the language of those subjects of the dred scott case, the 13th amendment language that neither slavery nor involuntarily servitude shall exist was taken directly from the northwest ordinance that chief justice taney had declared invalid and if there was any remaining doubt that congress had the authority to supplement th

republican candidate for the senate, of course, they have--we have these famous debates, the lincoln-douglas debates. they are almost exclusively one-issue debates that are over the expansion of slavery, and a good bit of the difference turns on the meaning of the declaration of independence and at this point lincoln--he's really building on the debates that he's encountered. indeed, members of the republican party have taken the declaration of independence as a statement of their founding principles. so he's part of a group of people; he's not isolated. that's very important to know. and he builds on arguments that he's encountered that have been made by others. and he reinterprets the document. what does it mean that all men are created equal? well, he made sense of it by taking the first statement and eliding it with the second. 'all men are created equal they are--that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.' he confuses the two; he says, 'the founders did not say that men are created identical in their appearance or their talents or their physical strength. th

douglas is impressed but it's loopy. >> did you call lincoln loopy and depressed? you've come a long ways, in public opinion. >> 48 hours of inexplicable bordering on irrational behavior. >> i have to ask it again. john, you don't agree with that, do you? >> no. i wonder if maybe he was afraid that not all the cabinet members would be willing to go along with that, and/or that it would lead to debate among the cabinet that he might see as debilitating in working with mcclellan toward the union. >> then matt is right. it's not a team. >> i'm glad you said it. >> what's surprising to me is that no one ever recorded anything about that meeting. >> right. >> no diary. >> at the time that they produced the memo, and that they signed the back of it, there was no account of it from any of those -- >> chase and wells. >> all of the accounts come after the election. all right. let's open the floor up to questions. if you have a question, please come up to the microphone. so michelle is here first from the library of congress. >> since i kept getting invoked i felt like i sh

abraham lincoln, in fact, stayed away from this issue as much as he could in his debates with steven douglas. and referred only to the basic right which he believed was in the declaration of independence that one person could not be owned by another person. in their criticism of the dred scott decision, northern white republicans focused relentlessly on the slavery part of the decision, rather than the black citizenship or rights aspect of the ruling. african-americans had a different reading of this case. rather than focusing on the question of slave holders' rather than focusing on the question of slave holders' rights, they zeroed in on the issue of black rights, their rights. taney's bold claim that blacks had no rights that the white man was found to respect became somewhat of a rallying point for the growing group of northern black activists who sought not only to end slavery but also to advance the aspirations of black people throughout the united states. it may well have been the most offensive phrase and the one that had the most galvanizing effect on a segment of the population in