[cheers and applause] [chanting] >> bill: joining us now from denver is linda chavez. of all, before we get to that interruption. what is the main point that your group wants to get across at the university of wisconsin and other places, the main point? >> well, the main point is, bill, that we are an organization that believes in colored blind equal opportunity. we believe that you should not be judged by the color of your skin. you shouldn't be discriminated against on that basis. but you also shouldn't be given preference what we have done over the course of the last 16 years is study admissions policies across the country to find out what role rice plays in admissions you are latest study was at the university of wisconsin. what we found there is that race plays a huge role in deciding who gets. in blacks and hispanics are favored. whites and asians are unfavored. >> bill: how much are they favored? blacks and hispanics? how much advantage do they have? >> let me give you analysis. everybody has heard if you smoke you have a likelier chance of dying of lung cancer.

meanwhile, on our panel this morning, former labor secretary nominee linda chavez, democratic pollstershoen and michael mislanski, author of "the language of trust." good morning to all of you. >> good morning. >> let's talk about the president's big speech tomorrow. you say if he's truly serious about fixing this country, a good first step would be to repeal obamacare. >> that's exactly right. it is a jobs killer. there are millions of people out there who could have jobs if employers were satisfied that they were not going to get hit by a great new tax, and that's what it is, with the health care bill and that would be the first step i would recommend. i doubt that he's going to follow that. >> i doubt it, too. you say that what he says tomorrow will establish the tone for his re-election campaign. >> absolutely. he's going to propose extension of the payroll tax cut for employees. and probably extend it to employers and say republicans, you say you want tax cuts, i'm giving you tax cuts basically why don't you climb on board? that will set the tone. >> michael, one of the problems i