. >> charlie: linda eastman. linda eastman.she had an approach that was just so natural and genuine and effortless and just truly beautiful, her approach, you know. not only did she sort of on the outside to me, she was a great beauty. she didn't wear makeup, she didn't shave her legs. she was very unconventional as in her role as a very famous man's wife you know, it's kind of unheard of. more than that for me it was just this approach. we go to parties with the most famous people in the world and she would be in the kitchen chatting to the people who were serving the food. that interested her and she felt more at home in that environment. >> charlie: he once told me a great story about her in which it was a notion where he was thinking about doing something and he was a little reluctant and she just said, just do it why not? >> that sense of it's allowed. >> charlie: it's allowed was the word. it's allowed to want to do that. you don't have to shave it's allowed. >> it's allowed to make mistakes. you're allowed to mess up and

. >> linda eastman. >> she had an approach that was so natural and genuine. and effortless.ust truly beautiful, her approach. not only was she a great beauty to me, did not wear makeup shave her legs. unconventional, especially in her role as a famous man's wife. but more than that, it was this approach that -- we go to parties with the most famous people. she would be in the kitchen, chatting to people serving the food. that is what interested her. she felt more at home in that environment. >> i was once told a great story about her. he was thinking about doing something and she was reluctant. she said just do it. why not? i like that. >> the sense that it is allowed. >> exactly. you do not have to shave, it is allowed. >> it is allowed to make mistakes. you are allowed to mess up, get it right. they used to do this thing where they would drive in the car in the country. they would say, let's get lost. the idea of trying to get lost is not easy. not easy to get lost. >> the first big job was where? chloe? >> i let say martin's and had a degree show. when i left my show they