passage in the book about a woman who was very associated with this show for many, many years-- linda winslow, who was the person who sat for hours outside the waiting room? it was cokie, because linda's family wasn't here, and someone had to be there. and cokie was absolutely determined she was going to be there for her friend. >> woodruff: and linda-- linda has never, you know-- the two of them were very close. but it was linda winslow, our former executive producer. but there's a story about our current executive producer, sara just, who-- who speaks about, when they were working together at abc. she had a lot to do with sara taking the job here, encouraging her and mentoring her. and-- but sara's story was so instructive because cokie loved doing needlework. she did a piece of needlework for every one of our six grandchildren. but there's another point to it. she wanted to say, not so subtly, "i'm not a guy in a suit; i'm a woman here, and i am doing womanly things." and sara tells a story about sitting in a conference room, talking about recipes with cokie and doing their needlework and,