that's el capitan. 5 lindhoff 4 by 75 millimeter lens on it. mr. lamb: when did you take that. mr. sowell: that, i don't remember. i went digital so it was towards the end of the 1900s. and the next photo is a water fall. mr. sowell: yes. mr. lamb: do you remember that. oh, i think it's -- i think it's yellowstone lower falls in yellowstone national park. mr. lamb: this appears it's and white. mr. sowell: oh, black and white, then it was not yellow stone. i know. in would be yosemite falls i believe, because i think there was snow on the ground. your mb: how much of photography is black and white or color? and white or ack color when you're doing photography? mr. sowell: i like both, but most of s doing film, it was black and white. and now that i'm digital, most of it is color. color film can be very delicate so when i traveled with olor film, i had to take along a cooler i could plug into the car to keep it cool. i was traveling and then i'd into a hotel t room or outlet when i got there, because the colors will change film sit the color out in the warm weather. but fortunately,