all right, lindiwe — lindiwe.the national level. we've experienced with this gender— based violence, right, a sort of a reluctance to say there's a pattern of criminality, that the criminality isn't arbitrary, that it happens to a certain targeted group. gay women in informal settlements who are correctively raped, women who suffer from gender— based violence, and now here, afrophobia that targets black african foreigners. applause. i don't think it diminishes us as a society to acknowledge that these are problems. it empowers us to cauterise them, identify them, identify who the ringleaders are when these things are organised, educate our people, and do what we can to, from an education and from a crime prevention perspective, stem this tide. i think denialism only has the effect of exacerbating the problem. applause. trevor, you wanted to come in here, and then adetunji. i think, for me, what is sad is that we have a generation of the anc and the pac that spent time physically on the continent, and have an exper