let me ticket to william and say, perhaps jumping on some of the words that lindiwe use, the -- that used, the need to be tough on members of the and see, increasing intensity of contest between some elements of the anc, what does that mean, for south africa, as a country? the anc has been the dominant ruling party for so long. william: you know, as it is, there have been two parties, essentially, turned into one. president ramaphosa has been trying to hold the two parties together in his unity policy. what has happened the last two weeks is, they cannot hold the two groups together anymore. it is a rubicon for the anc. so i think even the jacob zuma group, whatever you want to call them, it will be very difficult for them now to return back to accept the anc. sami: so will there be more of a split, do you think? william: i think we are going to see a split. it is now inevitable. and it's been pushed further and further. it was supposed to happen perhaps before. because the thing about the liberation movements, what makes it effective, what makes it a successful liberation movement i