lindner again, please? actually the other requirement of the seat, whether it's 14 or 15, even if we switched you around is that you must represent a business that operates in san francisco. so, do you operate -- do you represent a business that operates in san francisco? i saw your business address was -- excuse me? >>> kelly moore is a dealer of my products. i'm not the business owner, but my products are distributed all over the country. >> so you do not operate here in san francisco? >>> not my own business. [speaker not understood]. [laughter] >> i appreciate your passion. i'm just trying to see what we can do. [multiple voices] >>> even if i'm not appointed, i will still be part of the board. >> thank you. at this time we'll open up for public comment on this item. >>> good afternoon, david pilkow. i wanted to speak in support of paul giusti. i know him very well from garbage and refuse rate issues. but i've also attended the graffiti advisory board once or twice and i know he is committed to reducing

drew lindner. and also, mr. lindner, if you could clarify if you are a property owner here in san francisco. >>> i am not. >> you are not a property owner. >>> i began getting involved with graffiti 18 years ago as a manufacturer of antigraffiti products and it became a passion, not just the selling of products, but getting involved in the cities and communities helping them defeat the issue, whether it be painting, using products, whatever it took. i traveled around the country dealing with different communities and two years ago formed a nonprofit called stop urban blight. what we originally formed this, nobody knew how to report graffiti around the cities. it was a wet based initially. we have phone numbers for reporting graffiti. we have educational training online as well. and last year we began doing what we call city greets, getting cities together to share what's working, not working in their communities. even though cities are next to each other, they hadn't shared ideas. we formed an advisory meeting a