kathie ann joseph and lindsay avner, thank you both for joining us tonight. >>> i want to talk for at a new project we are undertaking on this show. it's called urgent care. and it's an ongoing investigation into the continuing desperate shape of health care for millions of people in this country. we are shining light on the urgency of the health care crisis. many americans can't afford basic care. there are kids that have never been -- have never seen a doctor. americans who can't afford treatment for life threatening illnesses. and this just isn't right. it isn't fair. we have a special edition of "politics nation" live from the clinic in new orleans on wednesday, july 3rd. as msnbc viewers have done in the past, we need you to help make the clinic a reality. you can donate, volunteer or sign up for an appointment with a doctor if you need to see one on july 3rd. go to national association of free and charitable clinics website at nafcclinics.org. or you can go to our facebook page. it's you who can help make the difference in providing care to those in need. we hope you can join a

a radioologist has a breadth of knowledge and lindsay avner, the young woman you saw in this, she hasthe things she does, go on our website and take a look, she tries to empower young women to start self-exams at an early age and walk you through, what should you be feeling? we're told an an early age, do yourle is breast exam? do you really know how to do it? there is a way to do it right. on the website, a ton of information for young girls in order for them to do that. bright pink is the name of the group. >> we will miss you next week when are yo going through this. we are going to be with you. i want to remind. >> this is berman's ideas as we start town dress. >> we are all part of team z. comic books this is a superman like z right here, are you super z to all of us. >> i love you for that. >> we are with you through this. >> i feel you 100%. >> ovation from the crew. best of luck to you, z. >> ahead on "starting point." check out the live pictures this bridge collapse in washington state. better look at it right now. a lot of damage. we'll find out what happened to that bridge,

foind joining me now is lindsay avner. she elected for a double mastectomy at age 23. and peggy orenstein a breast cancer survivor who has written for "new york" magazine about possible drawbacks to early mammograms. welcome to you both. it is a pleasure to have you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> john: betalked briefly during the break. i mentioned breast cancer a sort of situation where men don't have enough information and sometimes it seems women are constantly fed information. lindsay, you also had a test on the brca gene, the gene where angelina jolie has a mutation. you also had not been diagnosed with cancer. why did you elect to have the operation? >> well, i have a very strong family history of both breast and ovarian cancer. my grandmother and great grandmother died a week apart both from cancer. my mom is an 18-year-old breast cancer survivor. so when i found out i had these incredibly high odds, i didn't want to just sit back and wait to develop the disease that had struck my family for generations. so 7 years ago when i was 23, i opted for the risk reduci