first of her comment for lindsay gorman? -- question or comment for lindsay gorman?r: my grandson goes on tiktok. what could they find out? he do not have no information that could be stolen or that could be a threat to china or the u.s. that is my comment. guest: it is a great point. for the average american, most of us are not in position of sensitive information that china would necessarily be interested in. that is why we have seen these initial bans focused on government devices. there is a question of whether businesses might be interested and take the next step on prohibiting tiktok on their work devices from a corporate espionage angle, but the point you raise is a good one, that for the average citizen, these firms can feel distant and as though they do not necessarily apply. there is one piece of this that they not apply so much individually, but holistically it becomes a national security issue. more and more youth users are now getting their news on tiktok. looking back to that concern of all the rhythmic manipulation and propaganda, they could eat gettin

first of her comment for lindsay gorman? -- question or comment for lindsay gorman?r: my grandson goes on tiktok. what could they find out? he do not have no information that could be stolen or that could be a threat to china or the u.s. that is my comment. guest: it is a great point. for the average american, most of us are not in position of sensitive information that china would necessarily be interested in. that is why we have seen these initial bans focused on government devices. there is a question of whether businesses might be interested and take the next step on prohibiting tiktok on their work devices from a corporate espionage angle, but the point you raise is a good one, that for the average citizen, these firms can feel distant and as though they do not necessarily apply. there is one piece of this that they not apply so much individually, but holistically it becomes a national security issue. more and more youth users are now getting their news on tiktok. looking back to that concern of all the rhythmic manipulation and propaganda, they could eat gettin

we can talk more about this now with lindsay gorman, who's a is a senior fellow for emerging technologies arm of the chinese state or maybe is already? are they overblown? are those anxieties and worries and fears overblown?— those anxieties and worries and fears overblown? they're definitely not overblown _ fears overblown? they're definitely not overblown and _ fears overblown? they're definitely not overblown and i _ fears overblown? they're definitely not overblown and i think - fears overblown? they're definitely not overblown and i think as i fears overblown? they're definitely not overblown and i think as we i fears overblown? they're definitely l not overblown and i think as we head into our four of which is not overblown and i think as we head into ourfour of which is been not overblown and i think as we head into our four of which is been a truly grueling hearing for the tiktok cao here in washington we are seeing how seriously lawmakers are taking those concerns and how prepared they are to really grill at the tiktok ceo on these issues of data access and algorithmic transparen

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