lindsay graham isn't just going to lose.aham who will probably face a prosecutor who already knows a whole lot. >> yes. in fact, the thing about the lindsay graham call and can you find the 12,000 votes which echoes the donald trump call is it does speak to the state of mind. they knew that they had lost the election and they weren't calling to say can you find the fraud? canlose. has to remind everybody the republican party was once the party of law and order, the party that believed everybody had to answer subpoenas that they were lawfully obligated to do that. now they're not anymore. . well, i mean, the thing now is they think only their political enemies have to answer them and their ilk are insulated from accountability. i wonder, barbara when you look at this investigation from the outside, what is your sense of how advanced it is. >> fani willis's investigation in georgia? >> yeah, exactly. she seems to be much farther along. as we just heard from carol leonnig, we don't know all the things that are happening in the

meanwhile, senators from the republican and democratic parties, lindsay graham and richard lomantel, arrived in kyiv. they met with volodymyr zelenskyi in a conversation with the senators. modern air defense systems american lawmakers also discussed increasing sanctions pressure on the kremlin lindsay graham and richard bomenthal and the authors of the bill a resolution calling on the us state department to recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. senator blumenthal and i are the authors of a resolution calling on russia to be recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism. when we return to the united states, we will try to get the senate to adopt this resolution as a whole. we hope this will push the administration to identify russia as a state sponsor of terrorism together with iran syria and north korea i think we will see strong bipartisan support this picture should tell you something about america today exists the support of both parties to defeat putin and call him a volhynian and a war criminal here to tell president zelensky we stand with you and america will continue

the subpoena to lindsay graham is interesting. he's a sitting u.s. senator. of any precedent. he is challenging that subpoena and try to hide between the speech and debate clause that may protect him from testifying. but we will have litigation here over that. >> i am sure we will have you to lead us through it. i appreciate the important insights. with me to share reporting and insights, from the associated press, and from the atlanta journal of constitution. pat cipollone, we won't see it. he will testify on friday. we suspect we will see it on tuesday. peep at home, who is pat cipollone? why is he so important? let's have people close to trump tell us why. >> pat cipollone got the idea, at one point confront eastman basically with the same sentiment. >> pat expressed his adoration for the vice president's actions on the day of the 6th. obviously, he had lost the election. i hadn't said anything to him. so cipollone said, i think it's time you come over here. so i came over to meet with the president in the oval office. >> him and the team were always sayin

one of them you see there on the top is lindsay graham, a sitting united states senator. of course, the man known as america's mayor in eastman and others. but, graham, speaking of reputation, speaking of someone who is currently in office and has had frankly a lot of discussions surrounding his repore and back and forth with donald trump. what is it like for him right now do you think in terms of is he paying a high reputational price right now? >> in the state of south carolina, i don't think so. he just got reelected and obviously the people of south carolina were strong supporters of donald trump. i guess it depends what venue. reputational matter among his constituents i am sure he is fine. no one alleged he has done wrong. to put him in the same list i think, i think that is a totally different matter. is there any question he was close to donald trump? no, but as a u.s. senator and a member of the president's party i would expect him to be close to the president for obvious policy reasons. i think for some of the people with staff positions, people that were appoin

as for lindsay graham, the subpoena noted that he made two calls to secretary of state brad raffenspergertaff about re-examining certain absentee ballots cast in order to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome for former president donald trump. i'm joined by maya wiley. let's go to the subpoena to rudy giuliani. i want to start -- we're going to circle back to january 6th but let's go to this georgia set of subpoenas. there is evidence that the witness's appearance and testimony at the hearing was part of a multi-state coordinated plan to influence the results of the 2020 election in georgian elsewhere. what do you make of these subpoenas not only of rudy giuliani and john eastman and jenna ellis, but also of senator lindsey graham? >> well, look, what we're seeing is a criminal investigation that started inside georgia talking to the folks who are witnesses, the folks who received the phone calls and the pressure tactics from trump and his allies, right? and we know that rudy giuliani actively engaged in the discussions that led up to january 6th. we know that from any numbe

we've already seen the lindsay graham fight his subpoena from her, it's not clear if he will be successfuly graham be successful and will trump's be successful? >> they should not mess with fani willis. fani willis is not merrick garland from the globe boy, federal society ivy league school network. fani willis graduated from howard university, went to work as a prosecutor for 17 years, and we -- she knows every in and out of the justice system. there she will hold him accountable. the idea of some ponying donald trump is a little weird as a lawyer to say that you would subpoena the target of a investigation. i think she should, say we arekeeping everything out there.- she's freaking out trump already. he's yelling out a few minutes -- there was a phone call with georgia. this is the guy with who's on the phone with the secretary of state, saying i want my hundreds of thousands of votes, just -- and bingo! there's crimes here. donald trump has committed crimes, federally, there's no doubt in my mind, but statewide, i think it's a cleaner case. i hope fani willis forgets subpoenaing donald

breaking the law in his efforts to overturn the election and analysis on that in a just a moment lindsay graham will not cooperate with a georgia grand jury subpoena. senator graham is one of seven trump associates summoned to testify as part of fulton county georgia's district investigation. attorney investigation the d.a. looking into efforts to interfere with the 2020 election and overturn results in a statement lawyers for senator graham called the investigation a fishing expedition and alleged that if he testified the grand jury would share the information with the january 6th committee. they also defended his outreach to state election officials saying he was within his rights as chairman of the judiciary committee. the d.a. alleges that senator graham called not once, but at least twice. the fulton county d.a. is not backing down at all. she told our blayne alexander that more subpoenas are likely >> are we talking about former white house officials? >> we'll have to see where the investigation leads us, but i think people thought that we came into this as some kind of game this is not a

. >> senator lindsay graham in the senate is proposing they raise the retirement age, the mandatory agery six months or so that would help address the national shortage of pilots. there's also a similar suggestion in the house. the question is might this move forward to the point that congress raises the retirement age? we know we're going to lose 14,000 pilots over the next four years because of retirements required at the age of 65. and a lot of pilots say, wait a minute, i'm 64 and nine months, and i am just as good as ever, i want to keep flying. why not raise it to 67 and help address the pilot shortage the big pilot's union, representing pilots, they are against this right now, hoda >> tom costello at the fed in d.c. thank you. >>> let's move to the weather. the extreme heat set new records from coast to coast this week and the high temps are fueling this season's largest wildfire in california. oak fire is now threatening thousands of homes near yosemite national park and forcing residents to evacuate. the fire is so large now it is visible from space and the smoke is choking the

senator lindsay graham ensnarled in legal issues there because of his phone call to secretary of stateraffensperger there in georgia and of course, the big phone call of all when donald trump asked raffensperger to find the exact number of votes he needed to win georgia which was rightfully won by joe biden and the fake electors scheme is one that sort of hard for some folks to understand who don't follow this carefully, but in short it was to present two sets of electors, one, the correct ones who voted for joe biden in these battleground states and the false set, a second set who were supporting trump and the idea was to create enough confusion that the they would throw them out and mike pence would say, well, let's take account of what we have and give it to trump, and think, pence defied his boss' wishes to do that. this is the matter here where the drumbeats are loud and plenty of people in trump world nervously watching what's happening outside atlanta. ? it's the lynchpin, too, that ties all of the republicans who donald trump stupidly said in a phone call of which notes were be

graham is the connective tissue in the narrative. the language used. the questions that were inquired upon. lindsay says it's my duty to inquire about how these elections are run. when you ask the same questions that rudy giuliani and others who are trying to overturn the selection rusting. so there's a lot of connective tissue here and at the center of that tissue is not just trump, but for someone like rudy giuliani he was there to pull the extra strings that needed to be pulled. >> it all makes sense. michael, you and i have talked about this on air and off, the way the instructor hearing is breaking through. there's an old expression, some people have heard of it. it's called we'll talk when you get real. but there's a new school expression and i know you're pretty hit. people can make up their own minds. but that's real talk, t okay because a lot of people are using tiktok and other social media to share their reactions. i would say twitter is like for media and political junkies and that's fine. what you see on facebook and now tiktok is a lot of the rest of the nation. that's why you can buy

that these phone calls from lindsey graham seem to suggest that i would, i should try to toss out legally cast ballots, as a prosecutor, i hear that and i think, lindsay self incrimination right there, their arguments on both sides of that. >> wow. i mean, it's a sitting senator claim's fifth amendment right here, which is his right, that would be pretty amazing. look, you covered congress for the new york times. how seriously are republicans on the hill, particularly senator graham, taking this fulton county da investigation? >> i think this is the most serious and furthest along in the criminal investigations into what happened, on january 6th. they seem very far along, several steps ahead of where the justice department is, from what i can tell. so i think that there is a concern on capitol hill about where this is going, about how high this will reach. you know, senator graham's attorneys claim, he's just a witness here. he has nothing to worry about. but the fact that they don't want him to go in and testify, the fact that they will fight the subpoena, i think this signals there is some concern there. >> glenn, one more question to you before we