lindsay gramm. >> on one piece. lou: to pieces. >> maybe there's something wrong with those. >> they say without border security it does not work. intellectually isn't that inconsistent? maybe now with politics. >> there may be multiple answers. lou: we only have time for one. >> you will get a bill out of the senate and you will have the border security piece to be beefed up by the republican controlled house and these people made calculations for what it would take to pass the bill out of the senate and send the bill to the house and deal with the issues of what we are talking about. >> i don't know why they want to make it complicated but we will figure that out later. lou: we will figure it out. [laughter] lindsay gramm says the g.o.p. is in a death spiral if you don't buy into the gang of a deal but meanwhile that representatives in the house are pushing for for individual disk rebuilds the that makes sense so why in the world is the republican party buying in to the proposition which is so light on security an

that is gang of eight member center lindsay gramm urging support for the immigration legislation becauseccording to the senator it but dry as the border. despite theangf eight vy best efforts a drive througg the legislation not everyone is buyinn that. opponents said the bill is simply too long, that no one seemedo have read it, and it has been nngotiated behind cledoors and doesot come cle to doing what has been promised. here are just a few of the examples in contingence. one, border security itsel the amendment promises to add 20 dozen border paol agents. but the path to citizenship begins on the one. the agents cannot be hired. 20,000 extras that they cannot that -- starr hiring before 2017 which is quite a twist. meland security secretary janet napolitano has been given five years to raise the total number of tires to 20,000. experts say the hiring of some many agents could take up to 20 years. and there is the cost issue as always. according to the congressional budg offe the immigration bill would cut the defic by nearly 200 billion over the next decade. critics say that conclusion is bas

republican senator and gang of eight member lindsay gramm sounds like a democrat when he appeared yesterday shows here is the senator's argument for passing immigration reform. >> if we don't pass immigration reform, if we don't get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it does not matter who you run in 2016, we're in a demographic death spiral, and the only way we can get back in good graces with the hispanic community in my view is pass comprehensive immigration reform. if you do not do that it does not matter who we run in my view lou: as we reported, the republican party share of the hispanic vote actually fell after president reagan signed the amnesty legislation into law in 1986. but the benefit to the republican party in passing this legislation is certainly far from clear, if not out right we will be talking with the head of the republican national committee here tomorrow evening. now on to the weekend box office where man of steel crushed the competition, scoring the biggest opening ever for any movie released in june. the warner brothers super hero movie are nearly $117

procedural biltmore ternoon it has the support of five senators including jeff bke, it john mccain , lindsay gramm and now the senator from alaska who teamams up with jus about anything and gramm or mccain deal with. doesn't have enough to pass the harry reid says he will vote on the 1,000 page bill before the senate leaves for the july 4thecess apple tries to show it is stl ahead of the pack when it comes to technological innovati it announced a digital radio service to rival pandora and laptops with a better battery life and update to the operating system for the math and mobile devices and the announcement came at the annual conference for software devellpment in san francisco and capital executives also previewing thnext operating system that will be out in the fall when as part of a new california theme a mainly after naming it systems after big cats but pandora gained 2.5 on the ne. on wall street does stocks finished flat but the dow is down nine points the s&p down a fraction and the nasdaq gained five points with volume on the big board and trading under 3 billion shares but booz allen ha

ane thing, jn mccain and lindsay gramm and others have urged over and over again, establishi no-fly zonerea where a safe zone, where syrians and some of may be- whe they're save to shoot down in less serious planes. don'they have jet fights? why does this have tbe a u.s. initiative? what is our specific interest in syria? >> it's a huge intert. it may show up and pulls the ppople w don't wt to get involved in the civil war. is is not a civil war. the russians involved, hezbollah . lou: more excited by the minute. free to g io a conflict of russia. >> do we just sit by wle russia expense, since weaponsf all types assyrians says they're killing people, a threat to s thisneighbo? would be a tmendous setba the united states if ass stays in the tremendous victory for the iranian people. lou: and i eeed to a of that , let's say, hypothetically. thfact is that we ha been in afghantan since 2001. we have been in -- well, a decade. we are notoing very well there. when will there be a stray far discussion of the limitationsf massive power? en will there be a disssion abouthe appropriate attention?

south carolina republican center lindsay gramm once more for the meat industry.enator charles schumer pressed for special treatment for irish workers. such arubia looking for help from the cruise ship industry. does this suggest to you that these lawmakers may be more interested in keeping their jobs? >> well, i don't know. i bought your march were supposed to be banned, but maybe he's -- their special interest provisions for themselves, their states, very narrow provisions that clearly came out of this gang of eight, their individual states. so there is something going on. lori: so as you know, they fell short of 70 votes committing 68. what is going on? what is this whole debate, discussion, vote, legislation, what is it doing to the republican party? >> well, there is a big split. i was with the majority, but there was a clear split. i think the mistakes that some of my colleagues made, two things. a lot of them let politics dominate their thinking on the issue. we need to focus on the substance of the problem. it is a very real problem, and if we solve it the

another argument for immigrati reform legislation put forth by a gang of eight member lindsay gramm isit the republan party will lose hispanic support. well, heres something else to consider. there are 234 gop congressional districts represented by republicans. hispanics make up an avera of 11 percent of the ccnstituents in as districts. now, 201 congressional districts are represented by democrats. hispanics their make up more than twice as large a percentage of the constituents in a dirict. and finally. there is the argument that there is sweeping support across the country for giving illegal immigrants a path the citizenship. the use members are being somewhat reluctant, and they are convind that in some measure th may not berue. they have holes, by the way, to as -- polls, by the way, to assess all of this. the national journal finds nearly half of all republican journals, ha of them say they're less likely to support their lawmaker for reelection i he or she votes for legislation that gets a path to citizenship d add that to the fact that the house speaker will not bring rward a m

we heard from republican senator lindsay gramm of south carolina speak up on the -- lindsay carolina south speak up. [video clip] >> i hope we will change some of -- we will chasten to the ends of the earth. >> i was going asked about that, it was a key decision over the next 24 hours, should we put pressure on them right now? hold him in moscow? >> absolutely. they want to be part of the world community, they want a good relationship with united states. they should hold this felon and send him back home for justice. host: let us hear from robert from stockton, california. a republican caller. caller: thank you. you do a really good job hosting your show. we appreciate that. host: what are your thoughts? caller: my thoughts are if our fourth amendment rights were not taken away in this incident this man would not have anything to run around the world with. somebody give him the tools and somebody gave him the opportunity to do what he was doing. i think the guy is a hero. he is exposing -- they want to put drones over america? the enemy should not be here. the enemy is there in afgha

host: comments by senator lindsay gramm. -- it gives a separate counter this graphic of who is on theote. he is senator john mccain had 61 appearances. it goes from there. been a list of senators who have not been on sunday talk shows in the last couple of years. the peace talks about why they choose to call on -- choose to go on, with the appeal to. it says -- one of the people we will see this weekend is the senator from colorado. we will hear from the c-span radio crew about who will be on all of the sunday talk shows today. let us take a look at what the senator had to say about this very issue we are talking about today. he said -- looking at some other stores in the news the sunday -- it goes on to say -- also coming from that meeting, the united states and china have agreed on a greenhouse gas cut. they agree to one of the production and consumption of the class of chemicals commonly used in refrigerators, a key ofp toward eliminating some the most potent greenhouse gases. looking at other stores in the news, immigration debate is intensifying as both sides push immigration ame