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. if sir lindsay hoyle hoyle.ncerned for his is now as concerned for his position as i am potentially led to believe he is okay and to believe that he is okay and he realises that he's out of he realises that he's way out of this is to really say that he was a victim in all of this and that pressure put on that immense pressure was put on him. that is said at him. then and that is said at any at a privileges any point at a privileges committee. that is a very , very committee. that is a very, very difficult situation for keir starmer because whilst he hasn't said things floor of the said things on the floor of the house, he's given television interviews said interviews where he said everything's fine and everything's been fine and again, they've just issued a statement saying they categorically of the categorically deny any of the things that we've put out there. so would be a problem. so it would be a problem. >> would be a problem. >> it would be a problem. i mean, i just don't think we'll get because just think

i was wondering whether not hoyle whether or not lindsay hoyle after, you know, allegedly doing keirer the gaza vote, he'd do the tories the other week over the gaza wbig he'd do the tories the other week over the gaza wbig favour he'd do the tories the other week over the gaza wbig favour today. do the tories the other week over the gaza wbig favour today. but,|e tories the other week over the gaza wbig favour today. but, you�*ries a big favour today. but, you know, do think that starmer know, do you think that starmer might though? he's might cave though? i mean, he's u—turned much u—turned on pretty much everything else. all right. he's saying labour saying he's a changed labour party. we've talking party. we've just been talking about the fact that andy mcdonald has managed to worm his way back in, and the labour party to sweep party wanted, wanted to sweep that carpet, by that under the carpet, by the way. a way. i mean, that was a remarkable exchange that we had with earlier with the labour party earlier today. show going today. people on this show going today. people on this s

initially refused to answer a simple question about whether he had threatened commons speaker sir lindsay hoyleday he admitted a conversation had taken place, but said he absolutely didn't threaten sir lindsay. there were calls for the privileges committee to investigate this, but starmer managed to avoid it because it was decided that conversations in the speaker's office should remain private . so then that remain private. so then that went away. but now it's back . 58 went away. but now it's back. 58 mps have signed an early day motion calling for a privileges committee investigation into whether undue pressure was placed on the speaker. now, if this happens and he's found guilty, then he can be suspended from parliament. so rishi sunak, by the way , appears to be so bad by the way, appears to be so bad at politics that despite being about 30 points behind in the polls, loads of his own mps wanting to replace him and his cabinet quitting all around him, he's not going after starmer or raynen he's not going after starmer or rayner. goodness me, there is a giant golden goose walking around in

he was on speaker lindsay hoyle. he was very lucky. there was old beer korma.ay the teflon will wear off trans issues. starmer wants to ban men and women's sports, but he's got prominent backbenchers like angela eagle saying stuff like this . saying stuff like this. >> labour will offer the country to pick up legislating to protect the lgbt community with a comprehensive , trans inclusive a comprehensive, trans inclusive ban on conversion therapy. i would have liked to get it done soonen would have liked to get it done sooner. it will happen. we just have to make progress and it's very sad that , as honourable very sad that, as honourable friend said, it has taken longer than the brexit negotiations . than the brexit negotiations. >> that's a problem for him. labour dropped its £28 billion green pledge. massive disquiet on the backbenches. they've got a problem on the climate. the likes of clive lewis were up in arms about it. economic competence. there's no money really for labour to spend if they get into government . rachel they get into government. rachel r

parliament last week, the chaotic scenes during the debates on gaza in the commons, after sir lindsay hoyleamendment during an snp debate on gaza, and he said it was to ensure mps safety and apologise after. spokesperson also said he would be talking about the need to protect democratic processes, and would expect that shortly and will bring that to you as soon as it happens. in the meantime, let's talk a bit more about rochdale. let's get more now on the rochdale by—election, where the veteran left wing politician george galloway swept to victory, having focussed his campaign in support of the paestinian cause. he won with a majority of more than 5,500. labour had disowned its candidate for suggesting israel was complicit in hamas's attacks on october seven. george galloway, leader of the workers party of britain, declared that his victory was for the palestinian cause in gaza. 0ur political correspondent, hannah miller reports from rochdale. george galloway, workers party of britain candidate, 12 thousand... cheering. a campaign that drowned out the mainstream parties. chanting: galloway,

and | the house commons speaker, lindsay hoyle, made the point that he had a really strong considerationendment to an snp motion calling for an snp —— calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. that has prompted something of a backlash between government backbenchers, saying we can't allow our democracy to be ago bowed by the intimidation, as they see it, of pro—palestinian lobby. there was a demonstration outside parliament as that was happening. there were words and images cast up onto big ben which offended a lot of, particularly, tory mps. some of them have raised that issue, complained about the mayor of london — in one case, lee anderson, of course, some people felt he crossed the line in some of his complaints about sidique khan con, suggesting he had been controlled by this and this... those comments widely condemned as islamophobic. but this debate has a whole new dimension to it now, with george galloway returning to parliament, and a real advocate for the pro—palestinian lobby on the backbenches. bud the pro-palestinian lobby on the backbenches.— the pro-palestinian lobby on

i should think the speaker will be disciplining, sir lindsay hoyle and timing so thatjeremy hunt caneard. we are joined by two will respond to what they have heard. we arejoined by two mps will respond to what they have heard. we are joined by two mps and central lobbyjust outside the chamber dared to get their views, therese coffey, conservative mp, former deputy prime minister, and labour mp rebecca long—bailey who served in the former labour leader's shadow can. welcome to both of you. therese coffey, we have just been talking about how limited the room is for the chancellor and the fact that this budget is being announced against a backdrop of recession. as part of the liz truss government are you in part to blame for what is now a very, very difficult straitjacket forjeremy hunt? let's think about the challenges the government is facing.— let's think about the challenges the government is facing. when the prime minister was — government is facing. when the prime minister was chancellor, _ government is facing. when the prime minister was chancellor, he _ government is facing. wh

abbott's right to speak at prime minister's questions yesterday, i will be defending the speaker, sir lindsay hoylen convention it time to convention and is it time to reintroduce wolves into the wild in the uk ? well, it seems to me in the uk? well, it seems to me it's not. best idea ever. however former government environment adviser ben goldsmith has suggested it would be the best way to cull the deer population, and he'll be joining me shortly. plus, of the me shortly. plus, state of the nafion me shortly. plus, state of the nation book club returns with one britain's foremost one of britain's foremost political journalists political editor and the daily telegraph ben riley—smith will be joining me to discuss his book, the right to rule years, five right to rule 13 years, five prime

abbott's right to speak at prime minister's questions yesterday, i will be defending the speaker, sir lindsay hoylewho acted entirely properly and within convention it time to convention and is it time to reintroduce wolves into the wild in the uk .7 well, it seems to me in the uk.7 well, it seems to me it's not. in the uk? well, it seems to me it's not. best idea ever. however former government environment adviser ben goldsmith has suggested it would be the best way to cull the deer population, and he'll be joining me shortly. plus, of the me shortly. plus, state of the nafion me shortly. plus, state of the nation book club returns with one britain's foremost one of britain's foremost political journalists political editor and the daily telegraph ben riley—smith will be joining me to discuss his book, the right to rule years, five right to rule 13 years, five prime ministers and the implosion of the tories. state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my most intellectual panel, former conservative mp and commentator paul goodman, and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. as

she stood up to speak and thank goodness hoyle thank goodness lindsay hoyle stopped was she stopped herse she was she would be talking about the racism her. is racism comments on her. she is under labour under suspension from the labour party comments. >> but we're not here. but carol, we're not here to talk about what? diane abbott yes, we are in the past because you have to, not in the past. >> this is current, jonathan. this is current. >> a couple of weeks ago it was it was a it was a she was suspended obviously. and i was one the first people to one of the first people to condemn that. not defending condemn that. i'm not defending diane abbott's previous comments. i'm comments. i think what i'm saying can separate saying is that we can separate things two things can be things out. two things can be true time. someone true at the same time. someone might said things which are might have said things which are offensive they might be offensive and they might also be the do you not the victim of racism. do you not think it's a bit about one of those things? think it's a bit about one o

lindsay hoyle has told mps to be kinder and nicer to each other. ned about mps safety and george galloway is essentially the embodiment of the division which speaker hoyle has been so keen to try and end in the house of commons. so that'll be a fascinating meeting. and then we have the actual swearing in of george galloway, as you mentioned there, david davis was going to introduce him sort of free introduce him on a sort of free speech basis. he's now refused because of galloway's views on gaza. so he will now be introduced by peter bottomley, who is the father of the house and his old comrade jeremy corbyn. so that's a start . off corbyn. so that's a start. off with a bang, if you like . now, with a bang, if you like. now, the future of george galloway and the people around him is what's really interesting to people at the moment. george galloway, we heard in that clip there is going to be standing 59 different candidates for the workers party of great britain. and he says he's planning to defeat labour in these 60 seats. well, will that be possib

we've had lindsay hoyle, of house hoyle, the speaker of the house of saying he's of commons, saying thatcary threats of death and mps. and violence against mps. obviously it's already illegal, right? as long as we're right? yeah. so as long as we're applying law stopping applying the law and stopping that. but i get a bit nervous when you see people saying, we need down on protests need to crack down on protests because inconven isn't because they're inconven isn't because they're inconven isn't because you . you because that will bite you. you know, that it's going to because they that they will then have that precedent and they apply precedent and they can apply it to demonstration. to any protest demonstration. >> affect radical change. i >> can affect radical change. i was was reading this was when i was reading this story, thinking about story, i was thinking about the suffragettes know, suffragettes. you know, how they, , um, you know , what's they, um, um, you know, what's it called? cufflink themselves, not cufflinks . what they call not cufflinks. what they call handcuff handcuf

now, given that, um , lindsay hoyle given that, um, lindsay hoyle has come in for a lot of criticism,e to the last debate, you have to allow that vote to happen. you would have thought so. and that, again, could pose quite a lot of problems for labour. >> he i think it's interesting that name. that he's targeted by name. angela leader that he's targeted by name. anthea leader that he's targeted by name. anthe labour leader that he's targeted by name. anthe labour party leader that he's targeted by name. anthe labour party . leader that he's targeted by name. anthe labour party . is leader that he's targeted by name. anthe labour party . is it leader of the labour party. is it because she's a woman ? because she's a woman? >> i don't know if it's because she's a woman. i'm not surprised that he's decided go after that he's decided to go after a woman in this way. um, what's interesting is from speaking to labour people is that they want angela rayner to play a very prominent role, of course, in the election campaign. so where, um, george galloway's party. and to put up some sort of hig

know, a lot of are not even of politicians are not even saying when lindsay saying the word when lindsay hoyleou know, upended parliamentary protocol, he couldn't use i word, couldn't even use the i word, you and there's kind of you know, and there's kind of like of mealy mouth like that kind of mealy mouth element helpful element to this isn't helpful ehhen element to this isn't helpful either. if they get things either. maybe if they get things defined we might be defined clearly, we might be able open able to have an open conversation that. think conversation on that. i think that's attempt by that's just been an attempt by labour to have a definition that they could use against the tories, because at the moment, if you trying accuse the if you are trying to accuse the tories just being racist, tories of just being racist, they get to play the look at our diverse cabinet that had they get to play the look at our divewhat|binet that had they get to play the look at our divewhat aboutthat had they get to play the look at our divewhat about the had they get to play the look at our divewhat abo

as we know, lindsay hoyle broke long standing convention literally changed convention and literally changedps are being threatened and intimidated by far left extremists. uh, by the far left extremists. uh, by the far left extremists. uh, by the far left and islamist extremists . um, then all we have to do is look at the rochdale by—election where it was reported that candidates , uh, were subject to, candidates, uh, were subject to, uh , death threats, racist abuse , uh, death threats, racist abuse, threats of violence, intimidation , and a candidate intimidation, and a candidate was refused entry into the hustings. and every single weekend, as we know that london is taken over by hate marches and, you know, in my view, this is all thanks to sadiq khan and mark rowley, who've taken a soft touch, hands off approach and it's their unforgivable. two tier policing that has empowered the mob. these extremists think they are untouchable, nana and effectively they are. all of this is a direct threat to our democracy , and it's getting democracy, and it's getting worse due to weak leadership and d

it's not the mps themselves most of the time, example, lindsay the time, for example, lindsay hoyle,aker, after his debacle parliament, had debacle in parliament, had a load of protesters turn up, pro—palestinian protesters outside his office in chorley. he's not even there most of the week. and but so it's people on on low wages who are trying to do good things, who are being intimidated and day in, day out, why is it always the people who we keep being told we need to stand up for, who are doing the harassing, whether or not it is, you know, hardline elements of the muslim community, whether or not or not it's the eco lot, whether or not it's the eco lot, whether or not trans law, it not it's the trans law, it always to be those people always seems to be those people who are doing the harassing. >> the public believe >> 85% of the public believe that restricting that freedom restricting harassment that freedom restricting harasdon'tt that freedom restricting harasdon't think we're often >> i don't think we're often told stand climate told to stand up for climate protesters or zealo

and this one makes me really sad, actually, sir lindsay hoyle, because i defended him the other week,of in the house of of conversation in the house of commons her. she stood 46 commons was her. she stood up 46 times. isn't about her times. and this isn't about her being woman. it's about being a black woman. it's about just woman being just being a woman and being given speak about given the voice to speak about something about her. something that's about her. yeah, with that. yeah, i agree with that. >> also, it's quite clear >> and also, it's quite clear what's is rishi what's happening is that rishi sunak managed put the sunak has managed to put the sort of clamps down on the on the speaker , the speaker knows the speaker, the speaker knows that he is, in fact, completely vulnerable in terms of rishi sunak can just simply say we've got to get rid of him. i agree, and so i'm afraid he's pandering i >> -- >> yeah, but does that not make it even more important to get rid of him if he's being so? >> well, i know, but you need the as always. you've got the votes as always. you've got t

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it probably will annoy the speaker, hoyle, he would speaker, lindsay hoyle, he would normally be quiteurse, unlikely to say course, he's unlikely to say much moment. he's been much at the moment. he's been severely by his severely weakened by his behaviour gaza behaviour over that vote on gaza with he almost with labour, and he almost certainly say anything. he certainly won't say anything. he said last wednesday, certainly won't say anything. he said he last wednesday, certainly won't say anything. he said he may.ast wednesday, certainly won't say anything. he said he may haveiednesday, certainly won't say anything. he said he may have intervened to when he may have intervened to quiet , when he may have intervened to quiet, quieten down so the quiet, quieten down pmqs. so the government's quite, quite government's got quite, quite a weak speaker at the moment in the so he's the only the commons. so he's the only person who complained about leaks. the look leaks. otherwise the leaks look quite favourable the quite favourable towards the government. saying it's government. no one's say

although personally, i think it's right that we kept lindsay hoyle as speaker. he made a mistake.ion. >> it looks like we have. so that's good. >> but, you know, it's an extremely pressured job these days. extremely pressured job these days . and some people days. and there are some people who coming to the who are just coming to the conclusion would they conclusion that they would they would do something would rather do something else. >> so far seeing 63 of >> so far we're seeing 63 of your quitting as your colleagues quitting as tories, 1997. will it beat tories, 75 in 1997. will it beat that number? i don't know. you and the tea rooms, you know how the chatter is. you know there are numbers that you know who are numbers that you know who are leaving and haven't told us or their constituents how many more go. more might go. >> not going to put a number >> i'm not going to put a number on i mean, of on it, but i mean, i know oh or 2 others who are going to go, but, you i'm sworn to but, you know, i'm sworn to secrecy, and i wouldn't blurt that in tv studio. that out in the tv st

but what it sounds like is keir starmer went to lindsay hoyle and said , please, can you call and saidir constituent or neighbouring constituents for not voting for a ceasefire in gaza. hoyle gave in to keir starmer, broke all precedent to give in to keir starmer , give in to keir starmer, presumably because he believed that that threat was very real. now we've had rishi sunak saying that the mobs are taking over the street and of course today , the street and of course today, the street and of course today, the first day of george galloway, the well known, infamous really, uh, mp , infamous really, uh, mp, anti—semite , uh, a man who is anti—semite, uh, a man who is known for dividing people wherever he stands. so it sounds like rishi sunak is keen to make this speech to show that he cares very deeply about the threat of sort of sectarianism in british politics and the threat of safety to parliamentarians. he wants to make sure that democracy is protected . let's hope we'll hear protected. let's hope we'll hear a little more detail about how he plans to do that . he plans to do that.

could that come back to haunt hoyle, example haunt lindsay hoyle, for example ? maybe, can talk ?ur. about that in another hour. unfortunately, time is always runs away with us. but thank you both. you are with me. pip tomson on gb news saturday. good afternoon to you. lots more coming up on today's show. pro—palestinian protests are taking place in cities across the country today. they are calling for a ceasefire in gaza. they are the first marches to happen since michael gove earlier this week unveiled the government's new definition of extremism . we will be reporting extremism. we will be reporting from one of the protests. in fact , those are live pictures. fact, those are live pictures. now, i can't actually see how well attended they are . we'll well attended they are. we'll get more idea of that from our reporter theo chikomba very shortly. you're with britain's news channel. it's . gb news. welcome back to gb news. saturday with me, pip tomson. and what a day. if you're an onune and what a day. if you're an online supermarket shopper, it's turning into a shocker. sainsbur

. >> he's talking to, uh, lindsay hoyle there. the speaker, he's not wearing a hat .s got his pass around his neck right. we now come to question. >> and that was that very interesting that he chose to swear he didn't cross his fingers and he appeared to be holding a bible. christopher hope. >> that's right. i'm trying to find out who who may be accompanied him into the house, because over the weekend , uh, because over the weekend, uh, david davis, the former brexit secretary, had been tipped as someone who might do that. that didn't was jeremy didn't happen. was it jeremy corbyn? pictures came to us corbyn? it pictures came to us quite late. i think we could see peter in the corner of peter bottomley in the corner of the chamber. >> like that could >> it seemed like that could have been. i'm just going to get it up for you now, chris. but do continue. yeah >> peter bottomley, of course, is the of the house is the father of the house of commons. the longest is the father of the house of commoimp the longest is the father of the house of commoimp and the longest is th

friend in just a second. from my right honourable friend in just a second-— studio: you heard lindsay hoyleaying that completed prime minister's questions. it is always a little different, the pmqs ahead of the budget. he has vacated the chair for the deputy speaker. she will be going through some of the notices ahead ofjeremy hunt, the chancellor, delivering his budget statement. he will take to his feet shortly and will probably speak for about an hour shortly and will probably speak for aboutan hourand shortly and will probably speak for about an hour and then it will be the turn of the leader of the opposition, keir starmer to respond. we will take both of those live and uninterrupted and we will then have reaction from the chief secretary to the treasury, laura trott, part of the treasury, laura trott, part of the treasury team and her shadow for labour. here isjeremy hunt. madam deputy speaker, as we mourn the loss of life in israel and gaza, the loss of life in israel and gaza, the prime minister reminded us of the prime minister reminded us of the need the fight extremism and heal d

because, of course, angela rayner has provided convenient cover for keir, who, after his word with lindsay hoyler, appeared to sort parliamentary sort of change parliamentary procedure . and all of that has procedure. and all of that has supped procedure. and all of that has slipped under the radar. whatever you do, don't go into the water. that is the message for the boat race today. after flooding the rivers with raw sewage and failing build sewage and failing to build reservoirs infrastructure, sewage and failing to build reservcompaniesastructure, sewage and failing to build reservcompaniesastlengland are water companies in england are taking with taking the proverbial with thames water needing 500 million to itself up to date, its to bring itself up to date, its investors have refused to secure the cash despite receiving big dividend payouts. they're blaming regulator ofwat for making their plan uninvestable. thames , also facing thames water, also facing accusations of trying to blackmail the regulator into accepting its demands to hike customers bills. that's you and us up by 40. unbeliev

guardian today, the independent mp criticised the independent mp criticised the commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyleer the prime minister faced calls to return a £10 million donation made by the conservatives biggest donor , conservatives biggest donor, frank hester, after comments he made about miss abbott were widely seen to be racist. well, in other news, at least two firefighters have been injured while tackling a large blaze at a high rise block of flats in edinburgh which forced some 100 people, including a member of the scottish parliament, to flee their homes. around 70 firefighters, with 12 fire engines have been battling the blaze since the early hours of this morning. other emergency services are still on the scene, providing support and assistance to those whose homes have been affected more than half of first time buyers teamed up with someone else to buy their home last year. that's according to data from tsb. it found that 57% of purchases were made with someone else, with just 46% going it alone. more buyers are also stretching out their home loans for longer, as affordability of hou

uh probably the biggest waste of money recently was the whole lindsay hoyle debate and fracas in in parliamentlly a mission statement, basically a mission statement that nobody in the war overseas was going to pay any attention to in the first place. we have so many problems in this country that those politicians could have addressed. it's very disappointing . disappointing. >> um, very disappointing indeed . okay. uh, peter spencer well, the question of whether voters have lost faith in the british government to deliver to repay them for their taxes, i think is an absolute no brainer. >> i mean , i don't think most >> i mean, i don't think most people follow the minutia of the office for budget responsibility. the institute for fiscal management and so on and so forth saying, look , and so forth saying, look, saying to jeremy terry and to jeremy hunt, look, i'm sorry, my old chinese . some simply don't old chinese. some simply don't add up, but what people i think are very well aware of is the fact they're shelling out shedloads and they're shedloads in taxes and they're getting perpetual get

and during that time in the house of commons, lindsay hoyle last week, how many more died week, how many some sport to complete. change of gear paul coyte is here. >> good pun. even though i didn't realise you made it there because we're going start because we're going to start with one. oh so with formula one. oh so christian horner now? yeah, we're talking about christian horner. weren't we on the show yesterday? so christian horner principal of red bull, uh, about three weeks ago there were accusations of inappropriate behaviour with a person that was in the employ of red bull. so a huge huha was made about it. and then there was a would there be an inquisition or whatever or a chat or whatever we want to call it? uh, but he was cleared of any wrongdoing . surprise, any wrongdoing. surprise, surprise by red bull. and then the season starts. this weekend. now, 24 hours after he was cleared and they said, there's nothing. there's nothing to see here. uh, a series of alleged messages has been sent out from an anonymous account that's gone to the media. it's gone to a lot of people in the

and in pmqs, the speaker of the house, lindsay hoyle, who has just come out of his own controversy forhanging procedure after keir starmer had a word in his ear, did not allow diane abbott to speak during the debate, which was centred around her, which made no sense. she got up over 40 times but was ignored. whilst i'm not a biggest fan, as you well know, questions need to be answered as to why she was not given an opportunity to speak , given an opportunity to speak, liz truss and kemi badenoch accused the labour party of using parliamentary procedure to block a debate on transgender reforms. labour mps talked so long about a bill being debated in the morning. there was no time left to debate miss truss's bill in the afternoon, which would have banned puberty blockers, protected single—sex spaces and prevented teachers from helping a child change genden from helping a child change gender. in the meantime, michael gove came up with a new definition for extremism, which didn't encapsulate trans activists. are we having a laugh? they are the very definition of extreme. extreme. they beli

and that's what we've seen from, uh, sadiq khan and lindsay hoyle and keir starmer and others., uh, came out and said them clearly. harry i wonder whether he, um, lacks credibility in certain areas . credibility in certain areas. >> i mean, for example, he mentioned the prevent program, but the prevent program has been heavily criticised for putting huge resources into tackling right wing conspiracies and reducing the resources put into combating islamist plots. he talked about taking away the visas from students who came here and then engaged in extremist activity . but we know extremist activity. but we know that the government's record on removing people is extremely poon removing people is extremely poor. so is credibility be a problem with that sort of speech ? >> 7- >> uh oh. i imam exam imam ? >> uh oh. i think , of course, >> uh oh. i think, of course, the problem is that he the people will say, well, hang on, who's the prime minister? who's, who's the prime minister? who's, who's going to deal with all of all of this? and that's often been a frustration over, over many

now now, i actually, i think lindsay hoyle, the speaker of the house, he deserves a lot of praise becausecurity. i've been priijorked conversations. around mp security. i've been priijorked with nversations. around mp security. i've been priijorked with him. ations. around mp security. i've been priijorked with him. itions. around mp security. i've been priijorked with him. i know the i've worked with him. i know the things that he's done in the last six months as well. i'm afraid is the reality of afraid this is the reality of the country that we live in. i want our democracy to be free flowing. and, you know, i want us be able to go around doing us to be able to go around doing what we do. but i can say now, people do not speak as freely in parliament do and would parliament as they do and would have on issues have previously on issues because are worried and because they are worried and they're not just worried for themselves they're worried they're not just worried for themstheir they're worried they're not just worried for themstheir families. worried they're not just worried for the

being able to leave their offices , um, able to leave their offices, um, the interventions that lindsay hoyle sunak was addressing but what action addressing that. but what action are going to take? are they going to take? what measures are they to put measures are they going to put in stop this? in place to stop this? >> that's very good point you >> that's a very good point you make they're providing >> that's a very good point you mrunning they're providing >> that's a very good point you mrunning commentarye providing >> that's a very good point you mrunning commentary ofiroviding >> that's a very good point you mrunning commentary of eventsg a running commentary of events and not necessarily making the policy changes that are needed. although i see in the telegraph they're talking about cracking down on, uh , hate preachers. i down on, uh, hate preachers. i guess a lot of us would ask, why is this not already happening? >> yeah. why are they here in the first place? >> yeah. why are they here in the yeah,)lace? >> yeah. why are they here in the yeah, right. that >> yeah, right. i read th