we saw lindsey graham say that in august and now reversing it.t it hangs a lantern on their problem and it doesn't help in this case. >> you were going to say? >> conservatives are for the states determining it, unless, of course, congress were to pass a federal bill. what they were never for is for the court determining it. >> it's the same thing. it undercuts the argument. >> my first question is why lindsey graham is doing this. i'm not satisfied there's a clear answer. >> go ahead. >> look, what we know about this issue, which is a very difficult issue, is that actually the country is mostly united. most people don't want late term abortions. most people want restrictions around if -- restrictions but protections, frankly, around the ability for women to have an abortion in first trimester and early term. we are also mostly agreed about that but the republican party staked out an extreme position and they're losing on it. if they talk about the part everybody agrees with, perhaps lindsey thinks this will change if issue and the conversation a

mitch mcconnell doesn't like the sounds what lindsey graham is talking about. >> trying to win back the senate i think was his answer to that graham proposal conceivably hadn't been done a different way has different week we go to campaign on but he had a lot of problems lot of problems for the midterms. to the way the 15-week ban works is that if you are in texas at five weeks or a state like missouri or south carolina, your lost a. doesn't move your laws back to 15 weeks. so it's kind of a worst of both worlds for republicans. democrats can still campaign against republicans on these horrific ali unpopular phil, and in the senate republican is divided over the question of what to do over a federal bill. this is another example of lindsey graham making big mistake. >> lindsey graham is not a dumb man, he's a strategic. i weiner 32? this abortion is never even been a big issue for him? >> i think lindsey graham's a little too smart for zone good. sometimes he strategic, but he's turned out to be wrong on january 6th and seventh, when he said the parties ready to move on from's. when he

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here's lindsey graham introducing a bill today. this is news right now, not a drill, that he says would ban abortion nationwide. >> i think we should have a law at the federal level that would say after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand, and that should be where america's at. states have the ability to do it at the state level, and we have to ability in washington to speak on this issue if we choose. i have chosen to speak. >> senator graham says he's chosen to speak. many people say he is trying to speak for them. big government in their doctor's office, in their body, whatever language you want to use. a couple quick points here -- one, you'll notice that senator graham, this leading republican is directly contradicting what was the promise all along -- leave it up to the states. send it back to the states. lee it up to the states. that's what republicans promised all along to minimize what the abortion ruling would do. that's what justice alito claimed his ruling do. now all of a sudden cat's out of the bag. it's all a lie. if you

including lindsey graham, by the way. this is such an amazing effort to try to disguise what they have done. they have waged a war against reproductive freedom, the american public do not agree with them, you saw the results in kansas. their extreme positions was rejected. kansas voters wanted to -- we are very much in terms of the mainstream being able to allow women, their family, their doctors to do what is in the best interest of women and their health and their families interest and these wild conversions are just simply not true. the same in terms of suggesting democrats don't care about public safety witnesses. a cartoon that steve has created republican talking points that may work on fox news and the true believers and that is not where these response for men and women who served in the senate and serve and local governments all involved with and it bears no relationship to reality and any of your viewers who know the men and women and what they are trying to do understand that it's just salacious and outrageous

host: on fox news, senator lindsey graham. yahoo!ews notes that legalizing abortion, many republicans have been trying to straddle the gap between the already's core voting base that has long sought the outcome and independent voters who polls show are in favor of abortion right and who would be key to the outcome in several electoral battlegrounds. meaning playing down the issue in many senate campaigns and deferring to the state. dozens have bands and more are considering restrictions. so, let's turn to all of you. does this motivate you one way or the other to get out and vote and why. surely, orangeburg. let's go to you, first. caller: the first thing i would like to say, i don't agree with lindsey graham on anything. why is he up there talking about abortion. he can't have a baby. he give a baby. he's gay. i would like to say to the people of south carolina, when are we going to about this guy out of office. he never, i don't know anything that he do for the state of south carolina. he up there talking about abortion, get him ou

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>> well what is strange as this has never been a court issue for lindsey graham.t's why it seems strange to me. it would be one thing if this were something that came from a more mike pence type of they. i would expect that. it's surprising to me that it's lindsey graham out there. >> just the way that he's doing it, i think, because i thought about it for a long time. i think a lot about lindsey graham. >> why? >> i try to understand him. i really. the thing is that there is blind support when it comes to abortion. a lot of americans will say, after 15 weeks i start to become uncomfortable. and so he is using that as a way to kind of have the position that is not so radical that a lot of americans can get behind. but at the same time? this is the part that really gets me. he is claiming that he is pro life. or he's claiming that he's so antiabortion. that's why he's doing this. after 15 weeks? that is 95% of abortions that will still continue to happen. there is only 5% of abortion that happened after that point. so he's not being [inaudible] great. i think you'r

and look, lindsey graham's national ban is just the beginning. we saw that congressman buddy carter from georgia, where he is filing a bill that basically is going to let pharmacists refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control, for contraception. that is where we are. that's where they are headed. voters, women, everybody in this country need to be vigilant and needs to understand exactly where they're going with this. >> monica, i want to ask you about how we talk about this in this country for a moment. it switching gears here a bit because at that meeting in the white house you touched on the role pop culture can play in the discussion around reproductive rights. this week you had chrissy teigen sharing that the miscarriage she had back in 2020 was actually a lifesaving abortion, something she didn't even realize herself until the fall of roe. she said, quote, i felt silent, feeling weird than i that it hadn't made sense of it that way. i told the world we had a miscarriage. the world agreed we had a miscarriage. while the headline said it

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they all really want what lindsey graham is proposing. they want this extreme right wing ban on abortion nationwide. they're just basically trying not to talk about it because they know that it is wildly unpopular. and that is what you see in mitch mcconnell. i mean, this business of the republicans are all about the ideology, that we should leave it to the states. or keep it to the federal government. that ideology is gone in the age of trump. they don't really care about that stuff. they care about the right-wing agenda and how to push it through. and that's what this is all about. >> but, do they really care about any ideology? or do they care about getting elected? and why would you double, triple, quadruple down on something that is so unpopular? >> it is the axiom of the dog that caught the car. republicans have marshaled their alliance with the pro-life community for political circumstances. and then they won on the issue. and realize that it's not in support the american majority. so that is one of the key regions. honestly, steph

now you have lindsey graham. is going how do i do this thisle decent and tweedle dumb. and this lindsey gift to the biden administration is unthinkable. >> yeah, yesterday was actually mist fig. is lindsey graham that insecure that he has to use the occasion of when the stock market is crashing, when the only issue that people are talking about all day yesterday, especially in politics is inflation. and he depose on to raise the draconian issue surrounding the republican party after the decision on abortion. let's resurrect that. i don't know. it was mystifying to see senator graham doing that. and i think the republicans despite their acute awareness of the difficulties surrounding the supreme court decision, they still might be really unaware of what's happening at the street level among ordinary people. the impact of this issue, abortion on voters. >> monday afternoon, vice president harris met with a group of civil rights leaders and planned parenthood and was arguing about how do we really fight to mobilize

thank you very much. >> lindsey graham is a 15 week abortion ban. [inaudible] put this on a floor for a vote do you can mitch in terms of scheduling i think most of the members of my conference we dealt with at the state level. >> with regard to the abortion issue, do you feel like republicans are doing enough? it seems like democrats are controlling the issue right now. saying your grandmother had more rights than you. jeans are doing a good job of educating americans? >> i think every republican senator running this year in these contested races has an answer. as to how they feel about the issue. and it may be different in different states. so i leave it up to our candidates who are quite capable of handling this to determine for them but the response is. >> shortly after the news leaked that the u.s.up supreme court ws ready to overturn roe v wade, later mcconnell acknowledged a federal ban on abortion was now quote possible". his words. well, later today the seniorin senator from south carolina is going to make good on leader mcconnell's warning

what is senator lindsey graham doing?> i don't know. >> honestly, i don't understand this. why is he proposing a federal anti abortion law that would ban all abortion across the country at 15 weeks? i don't think that he understands how pregnancy works? you don't often get testing, important testing until 20 weeks. what is this that he's doing? >> yeah, well, i don't think he really cares to understand it, and he, you know, he's clearly established himself as somebody who is pretty extreme on this issue. i mean, he had a previous bill that was at 20 weeks so this one is worse than that one but the 20 week span also is pretty bad. i don't know what he's doing because he's -- you usually look at these things and think well, they're doing it because it's helpful politically and perhaps helpful to him in someway but not helpful to the republican party and that's been pretty clear in the way mitch mcconnell's responded to it which is to say, you know, that the republican position is that they believe this should be handled by

and what lindsey graham did is just throw a spotlight on, that should be honest.ndsey graham is a very erratic politician who's always seeking the limelight. you saw that from mitch mcconnell who said hey, we don't really want to talk about this because this issue doesn't help republicans right now. >> that's what i want amy to help us to understand. you ran against mitch mcconnell. he's not an erratic republican. in theory, overturning roe v. wade should have been a crowning achievement for republicans. then graham comes out with proposal puzzle and connell says no, i'm not down with that. help us understand that calculation. >> well, here's the thing, and a lot of people are talking about the fact that republicans are divided on this issue. republicans aren't really divided on this issue. what they are divided about is whether they talk about this issue or not. and so republicans in power, they all really want what lindsey graham is proposing. they want this extreme right wing ban on abortion nationwide. they are just basically trying not to talk about it becaus

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the latest fraudster, senator lindsey graham. plus, the general six committee planning to hold at least one more public hearing before the midterms. what we know about the state of the panels investigation? and amtrak joins a big week while republicans distract from the real issues, president biden wraps up more wins for the american people. i am ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i want to take you back to june 2022. the supreme court had just overturned roe v. wade, striking down the constitutional right to an abortion in this country. the decision immediately left millions of americans without access to reproductive rights, or reproductive care. and in states where that care was protected, millions more wondered if it was just a matter of time until a federal ban would go into effect. some republicans, fearing an electoral disaster in the coming months for quick throw cold water on that theory, claiming the court's decision with simply send the issue back to the states. effectively, these gop lawmakers said and

. >> senator amy corker on the overwhelming backlash to lindsey graham's plan. >> give me a chance to vote on this bill. >> when all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. well, it was as bad as it looked, in fact it was even worse. had a lot of occasions to say that in the trump years of american life but this new example of donald trump's misconduct in office is about as clear as it gets. it comes directly from the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york, arguably the most powerful district in the entire country. for two and a half years that man you see there geoffrey berman served in that role as the head of that district during the trump administration. berman has written a new book out today in which he details several instances in which donald trump abused the power of the department of justice. as berman told rachel maddow last, night trump's doj rapidly is tried to use the southern district of protected allies and punish his enemies. >> i wanted people to understand the full scope of the outrageous political interferen

lindsey graham is trying to just turn out the other side.sors for this legislation. 45. his bill would have rape exceptions only for minors if the doctor gets documentation from law enforcement reporting a rape. it would have criminal penalties, three to five years in prison for helping anyone who get an abortion. that was his previous bill. we don't know if this bill has the same things in it. that bill had a 20-week ban. now he's rolled it back to 15 weeks. what do you make of this as just a political move? >> lindz lindsay, lindsay, lindsay. i think what he thought he was doing was somehow shifting the be"d" bait over trying to make democrats look extreme, but here's what's in this bill. first, he doesn't have anywhere near 45 cosponsors for this bill. >> that was the old bill, my bad. >> republicans in the caucus are very upset with him. they want this topic to go away. they do not want it to be elevated. so what does he do? he not only introduces a bill, he puts in the bill that everything these states have done like my state, making do

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what did you make of this announcement from lindsey graham? first of all, it is astonishing to me, since their best issue was and still is inflation. that apparently is not working at all for them. it may be because they have zero solutions. although they can point to the price rages, to the middle class squeeze. they don't have any solutions to it. so now they are going far field, to all of these hate filled culture issues. but in this case, i think it is rapidly misfiring. we have never seen polls that show this many people -- [inaudible] >> i maybe losing jennifer, hopefully we will get her back. secretary castro, feel free to pick up where she was leaving off, but i also think it bears mentioning that we could have been sitting here this weekend talking about a looming economic crisis as it relates to the strike a run rail workers. that crisis, of course, averted. so i think that in addition to the fact that you have republicans really not having a message going into the midterms, you also have an administration that is continuing to show

>> well, you know, when lindsey graham had john mccain at his elf's dog, and had somebody to follow whoght lindsey was a reasonable guy, all about policy. but we found out he is all about power. and now that he's president trump's anomie, he has sort of gone off the rails. >> i want to share a portion of the floor speech from a republican colleague of yours, cuccinelli, watch this. >> but you ask, why am i talking about this, is she not pro-life? yes i'm pro-life. i'm also pro life of the mother, the life she has with her children who are already born. i care about the children who are forced into adulthood that was made up by a legislature full of meant so they can take a victory lap and feel good about it. you want children raising children, who will most likely suffer domestic violence and live in poverty. >> were you surprised to have any republicans on your side on this issue? >> there were a few that i thought i could count on. and that is one tough lady to show. they're katrina shealy. we actually had all three of the republican women stick with our coalition. and a few of the mo

house speaker nancy pelosi when asked about the muted and discord can't responses to senator lindsey graham'sh mcconnell. graham's ban forcing many republicans to face an issue they're trying to run not tiptoe away from as the midterms approach, one that has energized many democratic voters and more problematic with them, put them at odds with big swaths of their own base. the numbers were so obvious, and i stink at plagt. 67% of americans want to roll up the way it was. the republican bans going on in states that had the trigger laws, some of them eliminate exceptions for rape, 83% of americans oppose that. some of them even make it very dangerous for a woman with sepsis in need of an emergency miscarriage or losing a pregnancy to have health care. they ban that care. 93% of americans oppose those bans. what are they doing? >> i guess the conventional wisdom is that lindsey graham stepped in it by trying to provide an answer to the question. the reality is republicans got what they wanted by overturning roe v. wade. but now what? really nobody has any answers. lindsey graham was probably not

support prop 27. >> sources tell cnn that a closed-door debate by house republicans over senator lindsey graham'sational ban on abortion got heated today, one member characterized to cnn as it quote, healthy discussion, with what he called quote, different viewpoints. it is the latest example of how graham's bill has put an uncomfortable spotlight on a major within the party over abortion less than two months before midterms. i will get some perspective now from cnn senior political analyst, kirsten powers, and the former clinton and ministry official. david, the senator graham's decision to propose a federal 15-week abortion ban after republicans vowed to leave the issue to states make any political sense to you? >> well, we should note lindsey graham is one of those republicans who said just this summer on cnn, it should be left to the state. i mean, it doesn't make necessarily smart political sense, but i think that what lindsey graham is doing here is trying to rally the base of the republican party. which has had, as a life force, as a through line for nearly 50 years, overturning roe v. wad

senator lindsey graham, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much.ator, you are deep in the political trenches with donald trump and right now, that looks like a pretty unhealthy place to be. does it feel that way to you? uh, no. if you're a republican, it's a good place to be because he's very popular among republicans. emerson college — not exactly, you know, a right—wing polling firm — has trump up in pennsylvania and some of the swing states. so, this election coming up in 80 days, they want to make it about trump, republicans want to make it about a failed presidency of biden, and we'll see where it shakes out. but no, the truth of the matter is that president trump and the republican party is seen as successful on issues that matter to the country, to conservatism, the court, the border, strong national security, so he's in good standing with republicans. crosstalk. i'm going to stop you, if i may, because it seems to me politics isn'tjust about polling, it's notjust about appealing to your core base and activists. you're right. that's where i

senator lindsey graham proposed a national 15-week ban, and it has divided members of his own party. onfronted with some very pointed questions at his press conference earlier. >> senator graham, what would you say to somebody like me who -- sounded had an anomaly that would make him incompatible with life at 16 weeks? i had regular points, i did everything right, and at 16 weeks we found out that our son would likely not live. when he was born, he lived for eight days. he blood from every orifice on his body, but we are not allowed to make that choice for him. you would be robbing that choice from those women when you say to someone like me -- >> here is what i say is that the world has pretty much spoken on this issue. on the particular case of exceptions for life on the mother -- >> this one is baffling. so, i want to bring in south carolina senate minority leader brett how to. brett, i want to start with those exceptions that they were talking about right now, right there. they were a big deal in the debate. how did it all play? out >> while, when the bill came over to the senate

our comments come after senator lindsey graham proposed to ban abortions nationwide after 15 weeks. [background noises] [background noises] morning in my world, good afternoon to all of you. [laughter] thank you all for being here. we have enough senators will be joining us senator schumer will be here as well as in a number of other people. we are going to head to get started today because this is a critical issue. this week republicans put out their true position on abortion. a national ban and punishing doctors. for months they have been posturing and hiding their extreme abuse and ignoring the healthcare crisis is they are causing. but republicans cannot pretend they just want to leave abortion to state and then block senator cortez to make sure people can travel to other states for an abortion. they cannot say they don't do punishing doctors and in my block my belt to make sure doctors and states were abortion is legal can be punished for doing their job. but if there is any doubt about republican's true intentions about their extreme abortion plans, there is no question after

. >>> sources tell cnn that a closed door debate by house republicans over senator lindsey graham's proposedn got heated today. one member characterized it as, quote, a healthy discussion with what he called, quote, different viewpoints. it's the latest example of how graham's bill has put an uncomfortable spotlight on a rift in the party less than two months before midterms. i want to get analyst from kirsten powers and david chalian as well. david, does senator graham's decision to propose a federal 15-week abortion ban after republicans leave the issue to states make any political sense to you? >> well, we should note lindsey graham is one of those republicans who said just this summer on cnn, it should be left to the states. i mean, it doesn't make necessarily smart political sense. but i think what lindsey graham is doing here is trying to rally the base of the republican party, which has had, as a life force, as a throughline for nearly 50 years, overturning roe v. wade. that has been such sort of a motivational cause. and now the party is sort of the dog that caught the car, anderson.

just to be clear to republican candidates, that was lindsey graham, your job is to make fun of lindsey graham and to disavow him. your job is not to emulate lindsey graham and steal his talking points. if you do emulate lindsey graham and steal his talking points, you will lose. the losing candidates did just that. so compare what they were saying to what, for example, joe kent was saying in washington state when he won his primary there as a challenger. watch this. >> if any of these representatives feel so passionately about how we have to save the ukrainians about provide aid and continue to push this escalation, they need to go back to their districts and tell their constituents what they're asking them to do and what the ramifications potentially could be. why do foreign nations always come first. we do we secure their borders and not our own. >> tucker: exactly. nothing against the ukrainians. everyone feels sorry for them. but americans have a right to feel sad about what's going on in their country and expect their politicians to work on fixing it. so if more republicans in nov

and lindsey graham is not getting the rioting in the straits that he wants, but he does seem to have intensified joe biden's sense of urgency on what is at stake here. >> i think that president biden clearly thinks you articulating urged caution that we not to be distracted by carnival barkers and the donald trump or lindsey graham, and we ignore those who are just as they just to democracy like ron desantis or brian kemp, or brad bison burger. he is not just those who yell and scream that we need to be afraid of it, it's those who are architect-ing the very overthrow of democracy that we are seeing play out in this country. and we know that in the state of georgia, brian kemp has architect it a bill that has promulgated across this country that is undermining elections as we speak. because it is making it's difficult for voters to be able to cast their ballots and have their ballots counted. we know that right now, thousands of georgia voters have been challenged because of an unlimited elector challenge process that was put in place by brian kemp and brad raffensperger. we know tha

republicans like lindsey graham are still at, they're still running for these offices.ell can associate themselves from this, we're gonna have a lot of republicans that do this, because they don't want to be associated with this. but as adrian met mentioned, this is where the republican party stands on the issue of abortion. they're doing nothing, new families here bringing children into this world. i think, again, democrats can go out there, they can totally want, you know, about their successes on the economic issues, the infrastructure bill and all this other stuff the democrats are touting but we are definitely gonna run into some enthusiastic issues. >> well, to that point, adrian, i want to give you a chance to respond here, because we do know, that the president's approval ratings are increasing. much better than they were even midsummer, here, and we're seeing democrats feeling the momentum here. the numbers seem to be backing that up, adrian? >> yeah that's exactly, right inflation costs are starting to go down. americans are feeling that in their pocketbook, t

but lindsey graham is only part of the issue here. let's look at the actions of his republican colleagues in both the senate and the house. so few of them, in fact you can barely name a couple, i've been wanting to come out and say they do not support graham's bill. this is not lindsey graham bill for a nationwide abortion ban. this is the extremist -- amir few weeks ago, they were saying, look, this is just a states rights issue. this is a states rights issue. we all knew that there was a deeper held belief, even in cases of rape and incest. even in cases of the life of the mother. the life of the child, but they would not support this. so it's horrible, and the one thing that we can say now is that we understand the stakes of this election. the states, plain and simple, our freedom. they are whether or not women have the right to make reproductive health care decisions. that, to me, is not a decision that the government should intervene in. and it is certainly not within the confines of the national republican party to put their foo

so, then begs the question as to why senator lindsey graham proposed a bill this week to ban abortionationally after 15 weeks. tonight we have brand-new insight into his decision. a source familiar with graham's thinking says that he believes that trying to side step the issue is just, well, it's not working for the gop and that most americans agree with his proposal. so, republicans, not so much. listen to this. >> this is an issue people are talking about. ultimately, the campaign is going to be -- the election is going to be about this ridiculous inflation. >> i don't think there's anything at the national level for sure that comes anywhere close to getting 60 votes. >> i support this going out to the states and letting we the people decide. >> i think most of the member of my conference prefer that this be dealt with at the state level. >> well, back with me now, doug jones, april ryan, and doug heye. so, if most of his colleagues preferred the state level, i'd like to try to get into the mindset of senator lindsey graham here as to why now. i hear you laughing. you don't want to

lindsey graham introduced a 15-week abortion ban. republicans have been back peddling on the issue. ing this now? >> that is the question lindsey graham's senate republican colleagues have been asking each other all day. look, we know in the wake of this decision of overturning roe that the enthusiasm and momentum has been shifting more toward democrats. registration much higher among democrats and women in particular. the last thing a lot of republicans wanted to do was to try and nationalize this issue, especially because their line has been including lindsey graham as far back is just two months ago, saying this is an issue for states to decide. so, when lindsey graham puts forth a bill to say all abortions nationally should be banned after 15 weeks, it undercuts that federalist messaging big-time. and it moves the attention where they do not want it to be. graham may be trying to fire up the republican base, the activists who are calling for this. but folks in tough races in the center say you just undercut our argument. and you are elevating the aryan we seem to be weakest on ri

it is lindsey graham on updating the card.repercussions for the republicans. >> it shows the gop party. there is the fact they are not really correlated on the messaging. they're not really correlated on the position. i have to have this conversation because you guys are here. we are from florida. we know sal florida very well. let's start with you, what is going on with is my green kidnapping? you may not call it that. ron desantis is taking people from texas is. he is having them touchdown for a hot second in crestview florida. it ends up with them and martha's vineyard. it is clearly a political stunt. it is venezuelans. we know how important the venezuelan voters to the gop here in florida. why risk this? you are running to maintain your seat's governor. why risk potentially angering venezuelans? >> a lot of this is about 2024. ron desantis is trying to position himself versus other republican governors, versus donald trump. they're looking at the 2024 republican primaries. this might have been an overreach. i think a lot

what lindsey graham did is great. if i were schumer i'd call a vote and make the republicans vote on this and see how people like that. look, we surprised a lot of people in kansas, and why is that? because most people in kansas are decent thoughtful people. they may be conservative, but they understand the difference between being conservative and standing up for america. they understand the difference between signing on to some right wing crack pot preacher and actually standing up for values that respect every american's rights to decide for themselves how they're going to live their lives. that's what this is about. who's going to tell us how to live our lives? is it going to be the big government of the far right wing full of bombastic people financed by people like peter feel, or the american people themselves in you've heard me say this before on the show -- this is up to the voters. if this goes down, it's not going to be the democrats' fault or the republicans' fault, it's the voters didn't get out and stand

lindsey graham, he has been a senator for nearly two decades as we painfully now.ut public sentiment on abortion. what is your thought as to why he has, maybe a motive here that might be smart, maybe not so smart. with this federal ban? >> well there is a strategy behind it, but it is also a cell phone and a fumble. i think what he is thinking was that republicans are being hammered, and are losing this debate because in state after state, ivs as you've just been disgusting, republican legislators have been an acting really extreme bans complete bands, absolute bands, six-week ban. spans without any sort of exceptions. and that is really put republicans on the defensive. so, i think that what graham was thinking he was doing was to come up with a moderate alternative. 15-week ban, with exceptions for rape and incest and the life of the mother. that was his thinking. that he could shift the debate to a more moderate approach. in his mind, but what he has done in effect of, was to underline the fact that as your guests have described, if republicans get control of co

and senator lindsey graham is as south carolina now feels ian's wrath. we begin with our chief