that's lindsey graham. yet this same man is also campaigning on behalf of the america first candidate donald trump. what! shouldn't lindsey graham be come paining for people he agrees with like mike pompeo or nikki haley? you'd think so. he's at a trump rally that trump is fighting everything that lindsey graham is supporting. trump condemned joe biden for sending the tanks to ukraine. >> joe biden's weakness and incompetence has brought us to the brink of war and now he's sending in american tanks. it's far past the time for all parties involved to pursue a peaceful end to the war in ukraine before this already horrific catastrophe spiraling out of control and ends up leading, indeed, to world war iii and this would be a war like no other war because this would be a nuclear war. war. >> tucker: right. so biden is sending american tanks, trump said. yes, biden is doing that and he's doing it because lindsey graham and a whole lot of other republicans in washington, but most prominently lindsey graham, gave

enemy of donald t lindsey graham is an enemy of donald trump. >> and we know that not from what he says. bunore what they say, watch what they dos always. is >> this is the same lindsey l graham who spent fouinr years when trump was president trying to undermine donald trump's biggese hit priorities on the biggest issues, immigration and foreign policy. s,at one point, lindsey graham said trump's boorowa wasn't real. it was a metaphowall wn't realrp security, a metaphorical wall he didn't want trumpto to build an actual wall tol prevent actual people from invading an actual country. >> he wanted a metaphor. well, how that work? seven million people later. not very well. metaphors don't securer your country. >> and thetry ann on foreign po, graham became apoplectic when trump said he wanted to withdraw troops from syria. e he called that decision, quote,n a big win for isis as if trump was on the side of isis is if trump was supporting videosvides righ.t. so you know who they are inside by the nature of their attacks.r are the attacks fair or are they ridiculous slanders on your characte

lindsey graham, immediately, said it is not him. lindsey graham feared testifying to the grand jury, to the point of fighting it in court, for months, before finally testifying in the grand jury. we know that graham was asked about phone calls that he made to the georgia secretary of state, separate, and apart, from donald trump's own recorded phone call that he made to the georgia secretary of state. we don't know what lindsey graham said under oath, about those phone calls, or what he said in those phone calls. we don't know what the grand jury knows about those phone calls. lindsey graham, said today, he is confident that he is not one of the witnesses who perjured themselves. >> yes, i am very confident. i have no idea what they will do, i'm just here. >> you're confident you're not one who perjured yourself? >> i'm confident, yes. >> in court, as jurors, and in a grand jury, you are allowed to consider the demeanor of a witness in assessing the credibility of that witnesses testimony. that, is also, allowed in the halls of the

>> i heard you during your discussion of it question whether lindsey graham or giuliani have something to fear in this grand jury. based on what we have found emily court saying in her interview today, i believe we have the answer to that which i'm gonna get to. we are going to cover a lot of what she had to say today and all of these things, because this is the biggest window we have ever had into a criminal investigation on donald trump. we've never really had anything like this. >> and what an investigation it may end up being. i will watch that segment eagerly laurent alec lawrence! >> thank you alex. >> have a good night. lawrence >> tonight in georgia,, nbc's plane i was under conducted single what is most important interview ever conducted about a criminal investigation of donald trump. we've occasionally seen interviews with jurors after they have returned verdicts in criminal trials. i have conducted interviews like that. i have one of the jurors in the paul manafort case on this program after she found paul manafort guilty. she was a trump voter who told us that she took her

what lindsey graham's put on the table is 15 weeks.weeks, what we need to understand is we're not okay with abortion up until the time of birth. , so we should at least decide when is it okay. >> claire mccaskill, former two term democratic senator from missouri. and michael steele, former chair of the republican national committee. they joined me. now great to have both of you with. us michael, the abortion issue backfired big time on republicans last year. and it's an issue where they are in the minority in this country. 72% of independents disapprove of rose overturning. if she can't answer this question, and have a clear cut position on it now, how is she and other republicans gonna contend with this in a general election? >> they are not. because this has not been thought through. it's the ramifications of any level of ban on abortion after 50 years. of this right, being embedded in not just the culture, but the health care. of our country. you don't account for that, there's no accounting for that. let alone, okay, asking the que

uh, lindsey graham yes lindsey graham really wants to be a busy place. eh, the late makane. really a pilot, as a terrible phrase is now. he is busy wherever he wants. he wants the late show wants to take his place as such a moral leader, because , too, the pilot really served there on the financial side all the time in the air force. well, nevertheless, that's the lake to eject, he never did. financial. it is very important that he said this at the time. now graham repeats all the time the revolution he made later, in order to get ahead of calling our country a sponsor of terrorism, that is, a state with russia. we have a discussion in the un security council on the 22nd. after the explosions at nord stream, i just can’t understand this issue, are we waiting? we need the united states. here is a reason. and they are not sponsors. they just announce the 22nd of the 22nd. yes, so that the united states is a terrorist state that blew up and northern streams. therefore, the fact that lindsey graham proposes to name us as a sponsor yes, there is such a concept in american law, we

also subpoenaed senator lindsey graham, again, related to his involvement in that scheme. for context ten days after the 2020 election, senator graham placed a phone call to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. the georgia secretary of state told "the washington post" at the time he was stunned by graham's request to toss out huge swaths of legally cast ballots, and a few days later senator graham denied he'd ever said such thing. instead he said he wanted to talk about the process for future elections. >> did you or did you not ask him to throw out votes? >> no. i talked to him about how you verify signatures. i suggested he go forward and change the nature that a bipartisan team verifies signatures. >> that post-election phone call quickly became a focus of the district attorney's criminal investigation. senator graham fought his subsequent subpoena to come and testify, but the fighting didn't work. and so senator graham also wound up in the hot seat before that fulton county grj. then there was former chief of staff mark meadows. meadows was part of that infam

phil, listen to what she had to say about lindsey graham.ant to ask you about this. >> reporter: senator lindsey graham, what was his demeanor like? >> he was personable. he was forthcoming. he was very willing to just have a conversation. i can't characterize someone else's honesty, but he seemed honest. he seemed like -- i really liked him. i really liked talking to him. >> you know, lindsey graham tried everything to avoid having to testify using the speech and debate clause, congressional clause to say that constitutionally he could not be subpoenaed. clearly, his personality won over this grand juror. >> yeah. he is an engaging person. i can see why the jurors would enjoy talking to him. but this is a criminal proceeding. they are supposed to be making judgments about the witnesses based on the facts and the body of evidence that's been presented in front of this grand jury and gathered by this grand jury through these interviews. it's pretty striking to see the forewoman comment on his personality and demeanor devoid of the facts of th

i think they'll push back just like the prosecutors in the lindsey graham case where graham was wantedte prosecution that is possible in the georgia investigation. and prosecutors will fight it. they have to fight it because that there is no blanket immunity of this kind for a vice president under the speech or debate clause. >> this has prolonged this investigation. that we do know. great to see you. thank you. > o the united nations nikki haley makes it official and enters the 2024 presidential race. hear how other potential gop candidates like governor ron desantis are reacting. (vo) in the next minute, 250 couples will discover... they'ryep... the house...pace... (man) we gotta sell it! we gotta stage it (stager) excuse me (man) fix it up (repair man) they don't e-rinse (man) strangers touching everything (vo) or, skip the hassles and sell with confidence to opendoor. close in a matter of days. (man) oh, wow. (vo) when life's doors open, we'll handle the house. request a cash offer at opendoor dot com woo! hey you. i am loving this silversneakers® boxing class. thank you aetna. yea

and lindsey graham, again, said that he testified truthfully. mark meadows is an interesting case because he would seem to be something who is very knowledgeable about the whole plot. when you see that list and hear somebody might have lied to a grand jury, your thoughts. >> you hit the nail right on the head with the last name you mentioned, which is mark meadows. i have been saying for a long time he is the linchpin in my opinion, both at a state and federal level, tying a number of different crimes to donald trump in terms of his actions because other than mike pence, mark meadows was probably the most closest to donald trump the entire time. so i found it peculiar that the doj has finally subpoenaed him and they're bringing him in. i also think if he did make any missteps with respect to his testimony in front of the fulton county grand jury, that could be disastrous for donald trump. so for me, i'm obviously paying a lot of attention to mark meadows because the high level implications there, and then lindsey graham as well, because with him

mitchell mcconnell and lindsey graham will not let the house get away with what they hope to do.indsey graham and mitch mcconnell understand the fundamental truth, which is russia is an adversary of the west and an adversary freedom. and he is a dangerous dictator who, if he continues to succeed, will threaten not only central and western europe ultimately but the freedom interests of the united states. what you are seeing in the sobriety of mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham is how governing actually should work. not everything has to be a partisan issue. we are not going to see that from the back pictures in the house. i would also take this opportunity to -- nikki haley a bit. under her assessment of everybody over 75 is a competence risk, i would say nikki haley is trying to elevate -- national security. ridiculous -- >> i like the danger there. ruth, david, thanks. dave it is sticking around next. the latest republican to throw her hat in the ring for 2024, speaking of nikki, wants to test elder politicians for mental competitions. how is that going to work, nikki? i don't k

>> i've had conversations, meetings with lindsey graham and this congress as well.e is somebody that agrees with me, there is common sense here. you can't have accountability, without consequences when things go wrong. we should definitely agree that the things we're seeing too often now because of body cameras and other filming, have to stop in our country. this is wrong. i'm happy that i have republican wrong and we're trying to work something out. i'm going to continue with it. i'm grateful to the president of the united states, members of the house of representatives like the congressional black caucus, we're determined to get something done. it may be a big comprehensive bill, but in this congress that might be hard, but we can find ways to do things to make things better. >> thank you for your time this morning. we'll be back in a minute. stay with us. pretty much the sa, but at fisher investments we're clearly different. (other money manager) different how? you sell high commission but at fisher investments we're clearly different. investment products, right?

was it rudy or lindsey graham? >> lindsey graham. >> jesse: both with lindsey graham answers! of the suspense was killing me. >> he was personable, he was forthcoming. >> jesse: we've got a minute left in the show. we going to the tiebreaker. how much did alex murdaugh spend on oxycontin every week? the guy on trial for double homicide. >> i don't know how much drugs cost. but $2600? >> $80,000 a week. >> jesse: you are closest, but you're over. it was $60,000. is it over or closest? failla wins! >> boom, hornacek! >> jesse: you have permission to hit him with a paddle. >> not there! >> jesse: put your own swivel chair together. i'm a 73-year-old woman who just put together a bathroom cabinet by reading the instructions. don't be like the pampered politicians having everything done for them." i would put together, but i can't. i'm incapable. tucker is up next. i'm watters, and this is my world. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the war in ukraine began a year ago today on to berry 24th, 2022, when the russian military rolled across the ea

. >> lindsey graham argued the speech and debate clause trying to challenge a subpoena in the georgiation, but ultimately he lost. he was ordered to testify. will that serve as any sort of precedent? >> i think we could see a very similar result. lindsey graham tried to get out of the subpoena altogether, but the 11th circuit court of appeals said, no, you are only protected on legitimate legislative activities. but you still have to answer other questions, and the court said that would include any coordination with the trump campaign, include your effort, lindsey graham, to pressure state officials. so, graham will get only a very minor partial pass on the speech and debate clause. >> elie honig, thank you. >>> no secret that children using social media can be exposed to cyberbullying and serious mental health risks and unfortunately this can push children toward suicidal ideation or attempts. now congress is putting the spot light on big tech and the potential harms children face in the online world. brianna keilar reports. >> reporter: this is my son, carson bride, with a beautiful

. >> all the fallout this morning with secretary of state antony blinken and senator lindsey graham. >>> disaster zone. >> the science indicates that this water is safe, the air is safe. >> two weeks after the train carrying toxic material derailed in ohio, residents still fear returning home. >> we need fema housing. people are getting sick. >> alex presha on the growing environmental concerns in the region. >>> and -- >> i am running for president of the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] >> nikki haley launches her 2024 bid as new details emerge on efforts to undermine the 2020 election. jon karl with an inside look. plus, analysis from our powerhouse round table. >>> good morning, and welcome to "this week." after weeks of heightened tensions between the united states and china over the downing of that chinese spy balloon, a direct confrontation this weekend as secretary of state antony blinken met with his chinese counterpart. it came just days after president biden confirmed that those three additional objects shot down over north america were not part of china's

all right, so lindsey graham is confident he's not one of the ones who perjured himself or herself, ifing between the lines of what we got today, andrew, what do you find? >> well, i do think garrett's right, this is the quintessential tea leaf reading. we have to do what we can with what we have right now. it is interesting that the grand jurors found unanimously all of them found that there was no widespread fraud in the election, and the reason that's important is that's kind of a prerequisite to bringing fraud charges. it doesn't answer all of the elements because the critical element is did the person who they're thinking of charging actually themselves believe that there was fraud. in other words, did they have a good faith belief, even though there, in fact, wasn't in. that remains to be seen. it's not a good sign that you have all of them unanimously saying there was no fraud. that's a prerequisite to be able to bring charges. it's one step further. >> if you're fani willis right now, what is your next move? >> assuming that she is going to bring charges, i think that, you know

senator lindsey graham is talking about the fact that he wants the biden administration, if you will not send the f-16s right away, at least start training ukrainian pilots. there will be voices in this spectrum of the political discourse in congress but at the moment you have republicans backing the administration. guy: when i talked to officials in washington when sanctions were first imposed him was the sense of -- when sanctions were first imposed, there was this sense of awe. annmarie: in the beginning there was almost an unwinding of after the wild west of russia in the 90's when they got completely integrated into the financial system, we saw this unwinding in a matter of days. they built up a huge reserve in dollars. the central bank has put that on pause. you saw hundreds of multinational countries leave. it is still a commodity superstore and they are still selling oil and gas. it is going to india and china. but the u.s. is doing is trying to close those gaps. one of the big things is going against medals and aluminum. this means we will have a more bifurcated trade enviro

several key trump allies were subpoenaed, including senator lindsey graham, earlier today, he stood by his testimony. >> yes, i'm very confident i have no idea what they're going to do. >> you're confident one of the ones who purchase themselves? >> the grand jury report also showed a, quote, no widespread fraud took place in the georgia 2020 presidential election. trump's infamous cold phone call to georgia election officials was at the center of this investigation. those baseless claims were also part of the january 6th committee's inquiry. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11, 000, 780 votes. which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> mister secretary, was the president here asking you for exactly what he wanted, one more vote than his opponent? >> what i knew is that, we didn't have any votes to find. we continue to look, we investigated like i share the numbers with you. there were no votes to find. that was an accurate count that had been certified. >> also tonight, new developments in the defamation case filed against fox news by domini

lindsey graham's fight didn't take very long in the scope of some of these fights.nting web of lies, scandal and legal issues congressman george santos remains defiant. cnn is learning he's already looking ahead to a second term. >> he insists he'll be cleared of all wrongdoing as he thinks about a re-election bid. top republicans have other plans. manu raju is on capitol hill. what are you learning? >> reporter: this is a real dilemma for top republicans in washington. they don't want him to resign right now because, if he were to do that, it would set up a special election in a district that joe biden carried by 8 points, something that could flip to the democrats. but they don't want him to run for re-election in 2024, if he does, he could sink some other new york republicans. they want him to decide not to run for a second term. we are learning behind the scenes that santos is considering running for re-election. he's told that to republicans previously signaling he wasn't going to do so. he's now changed his mind. he believes he can clear himself of all wrongdo

and by december, lindsey graham was confident enough to say so out loud. is. >> how does this war and? when russia breaks and they take putin out. anything short of that, the war is going to continue. you ask the ukrainians to give russia part of their country after all this death and destruction is not going to happen. to signal a cease-fire, russia will take the opportunity to rearm and come at them again. so we are in it to win it, and the only way you're going to win it is to break the russian military and have somebody in russia take putin out. >> tucker: so we're going to, says lindsey graham confidently, continue pouring billions into ukraine until they "take putin out." does putin know this? well, we have no idea. we are not allowed to see russian media in this country. that's too much information for americans to handle. but if putin does know that we plan to kill him, wouldn't he fight back with nuclear weapons? why wouldn't he fight back with nuclear weapons? no one in the united states seems to be allowed to wonder that, much less have a conver

and his claim, lindsey graham's claim, was far stronger than mike pence's.kely event that mr. pence's claim were to make it to the supreme court, it, too could be expected to take swift action. he sounds like it's not even a question that the supreme court would rule in jack smith's favor. do you agree with that? >> yes, i think that's right. it seems like such a stretch. you know, mike pence says, this is unprecedented. no vice president has ever been subpoenaed to testify against the president he served with. well, that is because the situation has never occurred in the history of the united states. so, of course it is unprecedented. but, there is really no reason to think that mike pence is not having an obligation like everyone else to appear before a grand jury, and a grand jury is entitled to every man's evidence, every persons evidence. and you can't use privileges designed to protect one branch of government as a shield to protect yourself. you know, he has asserted executive privilege, and now when it suits him, he's now asserting speech or debate c

lindsey graham has already pledged his loyalty.sat alongside former president trump he did his first south carolina event. i think they said -- he says something to the event -- affects, don't quote me, but he said something like a lot of people are saying they want trump's policies, but blessed -- but the person who can do those policies is the man himself. he took a really hard stance mayor but he was gracious on twitter and talked fondly of nikki haley's time. even though he is going to be wearing a jersey for a different candidate, so to speak. host: you talked about nikki haley as far as the announcement and -- president trump. do you expect any reference, even alluding to the fact that at one time the candidate said she would never run against president trump, and now here she is running against him. do you expect any reasoning why within the speech itself? guest: i don't know if we will get a reason why, in terms of the walk back on saying she is -- wouldn't run if trump ran again. but the rest of that quote was also best, n

senator lindsey graham made a comment, this can't be a blank check.ppened to the ukrainian people is horrible, devastating and nobody wants to see putin take over ukraine. how much can the american taxpayer handle as we move forward with this. what's your thoughts? >> zelenskyy acts like it's a blank check. every time he's on tv he's demanding the west do more for him, in particular the u.s. we're footing about 75% of the total cost so far of this war with no end in sight as you just said. biden is pledging more millions of dollars to ukraine. it's become a bottomless pit now. i don't see much resistance even from the little remarks from lindsey graham. there is very, very little resistance to any of his in washington. i think marjorie taylor greene is a pretty vocal critic of this. it's fairly marginal when you look at people who are saying we need a full accounting of where the money is going, what use it's being put to and where american interest is in any of this. that's severely lacking in washington. >> michael lee here. you have a piece out on

ceedee lindsey graham as well. let's be clear. this congress will be harder than the last. divided congress. i don't know where kevin mccarthy will want to go, if anywhere, on this. i am not giving up because i know a lot of these get into the news, but there are stories like this happening with too much frequency and the police leaders i talk to, head of the major chiefs, even the head of the fop, know that we need to do things to restore public trust and reate more transparency in policing. >> kevin mccarthy had a stoic face during that line last night when president biden was imploring congress to get the job done on police reform. if there is going to be a deal, does qualified immunity have to be a mpart of it? >> there is so much republican opposition, people like lindsey graham said possible things about reforming it, there should be consequence if you break the law. but i am of the opinion now, let's see what we can get done. it may not be the comprehensive bill like a george floyd bill, but i want to get something over the line. again in a harder congress, i don't w

that in the grand jury room and use that to attack the case the prosecution puts forward. >> is lindsey graham sweating it outright now? who do you think is in the most greatest peril knowing about what whoil said what publicly and -- >>li i think donald trump. all roadsnk go back to him. he's the one who was pushing, pushing raffensperger on that call, asking for a precise number of votes plus one, ignoring basically everything that raffensperger was saying about how there waser a lack of fraud. i mean, he was the driving force behind this, and he was involved as wewa saw in the january 6th hearings, he was involved in the fake elector schemes and various things. and all roads lead to him. he's the epicenter of the conspiracy. >> okay, so that is not a plot twist ort maybe it is -- >> it's not a plot twist. >> you think it's happening. michael moore, george conway, thank you both for joining me this evening. >> pleasure to be with you. >>> thank you. it is a busy news night with a historicgh election for a vacan congressional seat in the state ofse virginia. while wisconsin voters went to the

. >> senator lindsey graham, what was his demeanor like? >> fantastic. he was personable.him. i kind of wanted to subpoena the former president because i got to swear everybody in, so i thought it would be really cool to get 60 seconds with president trump with me looking at him and being like, do you solemnly swear. i just thought that would be an awesome moment. >> yeah, the appearances have elicited quite the response. what if anything does it mean for the case? joining me now to explain what we just saw hopefully is charles coleman jr., civil rights attorney, former prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst, and host of the charles coleman podcast. you have a lot to do, but you have one more thing to do, please explain to me whether that is going to hurt the case? because i think lisa reuben, our legal analyst, she might be irritated by any grand juror talking publicly now. still, emily's pursuit of her 15 minutes is not likely to preclude anyone from serving their term. that's her take. what is yours? >> i agree with lisa. she's extremely bright and usually on point and this is

>> brian: i think he's arty committed. >> ainsley: lindsey graham and the governor, south collingwoodi haley when she gets in she did call donald trump and she said you know what i'm thinking about running and he said he said "go by your heart if you want to run you should do it" and tim scott. if he gets in. water representatives. >> brian: a lot of stuff collided. >> steve: i have a feeling with nikki haley it's going to just be off to the races and suddenly a lot of people are going to declare they are interested. she sat down with bret baier for special report just about ten days ago and every thing she said seems to be pointing toward this announcement that's going to come on february the 15th. here she is with brett on january 19. >> you said after the holidays that you would look at it, considerate, you would read the tea leaves in your words, we are in the new year, how are the tea leaves looking? are you can run for president? >> first look at does the current situation push for new leadership? the second question is am i that person that could be that new leader, but yes we

some republicans involved in the talks who died previously like lindsey graham, john cornyn, they say we are in a divided government now. we were not able to do this when it was all democrats who mostly wanted to get police reform done. now with house republicans, it does not seem like it will happen. the combination of the divided government and to some republicans who were interested in making this deal a few years ago sounding down on it has not given people a ton of hope in this moment. senator cory booker and tom scott are talking again. there is some movement on the hill. host: let's talk about what house republicans are doing since they controlled that house chamber. hunter biden's laptop story -- what do you know about that hearing? guest: this hearing is interesting because it is focusing mostly on the issue of social media and allegedly bias in, even though it does -- in how social media works. it is kind of a backdoor into that issue. the witnesses for the hearing will be former twitter executives. it is focused on twitter and the decision not to run a new york post story a

. >> shortly before this, over on capitol hill, our manu raju was able to speak with senator lindsey graham, who did testify before the grand jury. take a listen to what he had to say. >> are you confident in your testimony? >> yes. >> you haven't heard from them after that? or . >> no. >> what's your reaction to the general recommendation? >> so graham says he's confident, but clearly someone lied. >> somebody lied. you can confirm my numbers, i believe it's 75 total witnesses testified before the special grand jury. that is a lot of witnesses. when you're building a big case, that's how many you talk to. in order to prove that someone is guilty of perjury, you have to prove that they lied, number two, that it was something material, that it actually mattered, but, three, that they knew the statement they were making was untrue. there's a few pieces of evidence there. it could be anybody. i don't want to speculate because it would be irresponsible to do so at this point given the sheer number of witnesses they spoke to, including elected officials. >> we've got lindsey graham who has testi

people like to hate on lindsey graham but let me tell you, he has been nothing but gracious to me sincee lost his run for the georgia run senate seat twice. on that note, it was great to see some of my other senate colleagues. someone already left, i heard they -- i guess they heard the baptist preacher was speaking. there is one man who was here earlier who prayed harder than anybody else. i am a faith leader but he prayed harder than the preacher. i am talking about majority leader chuck schumer. i think that senator schumer would have prayed with the rosary facing mecca if he thought it would have turned out more atlanta suburb voters. [applause] i have to admit, it was not until the runoff that i knew chuck schumer was a praying man. when i asked him about it, he said, the lord and the the fcc work in mysterious ways. i know they want a bipartisanship, while we are on the subject of elections, let me offer you a word of advice to my colleagues up for reelection in 2024. since i know a thing or two about winning against the odds. first, if possible, consider running against a running

to compel to testify, we don't know who, but we know guys like rudy giuliani, mike flynn, and lindsey graham about donald trump's georgia state election crimes, they ran to court and every court ordered them to testify, and now the jurors said, you know what, some of the witnesses lied to us. the reason that's so important from this old prosecutor's perspective is now fani willis might have leverage over witnesses who lied in the grand jury. because potentially, they have exposed themselves to perjury, to obstruction of justice, and to accessory after the fact. so i always warned my witnesses before i put them before the grand jury, if you lie, i will be your worst nightmare. because i'll ask the jury to consider voting out criminal charges against you for those lies. so this could actually end up being a benefit to fani willis' investigation. >> yeah, it's very unusual to lie in front of a grand jury. like, people know that's a crime. and so it is interesting, charles blow, that i have sat on a grand jury before. the witnesses are very -- it's made very clear as glenn said, it's a felony. y

racking up endorsements from republicans like ohio senator jd vance and south carolina senator lindsey grahamained his decision to back trump this way. >> i know the downside of trump, but let me tell you about the upside of trump. i am for trump, not because of the flaws of anybody else. i'm for donald trump because i know what i'm going to get >> seth: yeah, you know what you're going to get with herpes, too, but i'm not sure that's a selling point. [ laughter ] lindsey graham is like forrest gump if all he ever did was sit on that bench. "my meemaw always said, 'life is like a box of frozen shrimp you left out in the sun. you know exactly what you're going to get -- food poisoning!'" [ laughter ] with that said, lindsey isn't all wrong about knowing what you're going to get, because trump is just out there doing his usual schtick, flying from state to state, whining about all the stuff he usually whines about. like windmills >> we demand windmills be built on our oceans, our prairies, our mountains and our planes, only to realize that they are killing all our eagles and our birds if you ki

lindsey graham had something similar, you might recall. he was trying to duck testimony in the georgia criminal probe about related election interference, including plots that led up to this. he lost in that state, he lost down in georgia. he lost federally. it went all the way to the supreme court, which again was his right to take it there. he lost once and for all. graham forced to testify, and he was a sitting senator, so when you look at this, again, some of this stuff will be in its own way unprecedented. it will follow where the courts and facts go, but it's certainly not a good sign if actual members of congress aren't finding the speech and debate clause protects them this way. we're also seeing pence on both sides of the legal argument. he ran from the january 6th committee, ducking testimony with the privilege claims. >> congress has no right to my testimony. we have a separation of powers under the constitution of the united states, and i believe it would establish a terrible precedent for the congress to summon a vice presiden

. >> right, lindsey graham testified, rudy giuliani testified. why so little information?s thing out at all if you're gonna put out that little information? >> you know, that is part of the issue i have with the judge's ruling, it became you had to put a conclusion that turns out she had everything in between. usually the public does not get to see any of this, so, i'm one hand you can see it as a glass half full in as much as the normal proceedings of the grand jury occur behind closed doors and they are completely private. in this case we are learning a little bit about what is going on, but, the problem is what we are learning is leaving us with a lot of questions in terms of where we go from here. what it is also doing is intensifying the pressure to make a decision about whether to bring an indictment or prosecution much sooner. >> jackets to my next question, the fact that so little was released, should we take from that? do you take from that as a lawyer that she actually is going to make a move, that she is getting ready to drop some indictments? >> i do see this a

and push the senators for real reform. >> it's not often you here on this show, i agree with lindsey grahams just kicked off the house foreign affairs community by republicans. before that vote, she showed just one of the many death threats she's received in recent weeks. she said these threats tend to increase when republicans put a target on her back, just a warning for our viewers -- what about what you're about here is violent and disturbing. >> put a bullet in your [bleep] head, and get that [bleep] out of my country, you [ bleep ]. i'll [bleep] kill you. >> disgusting stuff. this week, democrats and congress united to back omar. but i have to ask, we have the democrats been over the last few years when she was relentlessly demonized? i wonder if your party was a little late to the effort to defend her from racist attacks from the right. >> i think the party has been a little late, but also not nearly as loud as we have needed to be. i mean, right after i won my election, i came to washington state have a meeting with the cpc. she's one of the first people i met, and we spoke for about

i think what lindsey graham is put on the table is 15 weeks. and i think that if we're looking at 15 weeks, what we need to understand is, we are not okay with abortion up until the time of birth. so we should at least decide when is it okay. >> so you'll notice haley never really answers the question, but the truth is she's not alone. donald trump remains the gop's front runner in most polls has also thus far largely avoided discussing abortion at his campaign appearances. now, it's a republic surprised that republicans have been ignoring the issue as the position is highly unpopular. as we all know now, it's part of the reason why the gop hadn't underwhelming, and frankly, embarrassing the term performance. and nbc news national exit poll found that abortion is the number to issue for voters in november. and those who cited it as their top concern preferred democrats over republicans by a staggering 53 points. but here's the problem, you can't distance yourself from positions you currently hold. so the republican party can try to rewrite hist

now, it's notable that lindsey graham, in fact, actually when it came to the subpoena he received in fulton county, georgia, to come testify, he tried to make a similar claim and argued that in article 1 of the institution there, it is the speech or debate clause that the executive branch, the department of justice, there can be no criminal liability for deliberations that take place within congress for u.s. senators and house members. this is where it's going to be tricky for vice president pence to make the case that he was serving in a legislative capacity that day, and that's where you heard him say they're prepared to take this to the supreme court if it were to get to that point, to make the point that he was part of a deliberative legislative body on january 6th, and he should not have to comply with the subpoena from the current executive branch, chris. >> vaughn hillyard in a cold cedar rapids, thank you so much. >>> in florida, activists are rallying as we speak against governor ron desantis for rejecting an ap african-american studies class in the state. nbc's trymaine lee

including senator lindsey graham who has been staunchly for this aid from the beginning.lso a member of the budget and appropriations committees. and here is what he said about additional aid for the country, take a listen. >> i am here to tell you that the weapons will continue to flow from the united states, the economic assistance that ukraine needs to stay in this fight will be there. i'm a republican, i promise you there will be bipartisan resolved to keep this assistance going. and there is bipartisan resolve to hold putin accountable. strong words from senator graham. rick, i would note, speaker mccarthy's absence was allowed at the munich security conference. how concerned are you that support could waver amongst republicans even in the senate? >> it is not that i believe support could waver in the house, i believe that there is an active pro russia fifth column in the house right now. people like andy biggs and matt gates and paul gosar, marjorie taylor greene. these folks would like us to switch sides. they are not for ukraine. it should be made very clear that