and britain from spying on germans linus newman one of the activists behind the legal action he joins me now live with more good to have you with us here so. what is your group hoping to achieve with this lawsuit. well if you look at what happened in germany after the snowden revelations or in the course of the revelations the answer is nothing the german government has deny that there are any and the breaches of german law that there is even any reason to act the german general prosecutor has denied that there is even the faintest hint at criminal activity that would give him a reason to investigate what's going on and of course this type of reaction is quite unusual if you look at the german constitution and the. criminal law so we're wondering whether. the refusal to do anything is because the people have something to hide or whether it is because they have something to be afraid of and we want to find the answer to that question now admittedly i don't know much about the chaos computer club but you are described as a group of hacktivists hacking into private computer systems and g