others are just linus system administrators that are interested in security. others are former childhood hackers or something like this. and they're interested in it. so it's variety of things. >> but is there a college path? is it a -- i mean, can you get i.t. training in the business schools or computer science class? >> i can comment. i have been teaching at stephens for 22 years. if you looked at my class in 1990, you would see something that would look like, you know, typical college class. i went to dickinson, pennsylvania. so, you know, pretty -- a mix of kids. my class today at stephens is about 98% about foreign nationals. i have got about 65 in a classroom. and almost all of them have the intention of leaving the country when they complete their masters or ph.d. because they see bigger opportunities elsewhere. >> if you all want to jump in, i don't want to forget about the compensation of people entering the private sector and government sector. we have the same is issues about bringing in the best and the brightest, but if we're not compensating the