[laughter] but lionel trilling is a 50-foot tall giant compared with the sociology department. aughter] >> i looked at that quote i trilling and i actually used it in my book that comes out this spring called the death of liberalism and i went over that quote. it didn't ruffle my feathers terribly and i think that were he alive today he would be completely on our side. i think he was talking about a kind of conservatism that he couldn't quite imagine. within two years of course it had popped up in the person of no buckley and then i wonder, and i am sure he was more generous towards conservatism in the end than he was in the beginning. >> not as i recall. [laughter] >> alright let's invite the audience into the discussion. you must come down to one of these microphones, please, and make your question brief and blunts and then as roger suggests, you may be gone. [laughter] >> something mr. campbell said got me to thinking about the whole question of herd instinct. at the beginning of the century when stokes was the secretary of this university university he was an episcopal argum

. >> irritable -- -- but lionel trilling is a 50-foot tall giant compared with the sociology department. at columbia university. i looked at that quote by dish actually used it in my book that comes out this spring, called "liberal -- the death of liberalism." and i went over that quote. didn't ruffle my feathers terribly, and i think were he alive today he would be completely on our side. i think he was talking about a kind of conservativism that he wouldn't imagine. within two years it had popped up and the person of bill buckley, and then i wonder whether -- i'm sure he is more generous toward conservativism in the end than he was in the beginning. >> not as i recall. >> all right. let's invite the audience into this discussion. you must come down to one of this microphones, please, and make your question brief and blunt and then, as roger suggests, you may be gone. >> something mr. kimball said got me thinking about the whole question of herd instinct. at the beginning of this century when stokes was the secretary of this university, he was a clergyman and chose not to go to ordinat