we have a motion. >> move for approval. >> second from lipkin. >> was that the special meeting? >> october 2nd >> that's a special. >> i was in l.a. >> abstain. >> director kim was here. >> at that meeting, lot of alternatives were here for the agency. >> she could have voted for it. >> but now that we're approving them, even though the director wasn't here, the alternative for that agency was here. >> any member of the board can approve minutes even if they were present at the met meeting so long as they approved the minutes. >> i don't know if we're going to have enough votes to approve the minutes. i will acknowledge that i have not reviewed the tape or the minute. i will not be in position to support them. we may need to continue this so that those who weren't here can review and approve. >> folks would like to continue october 2nd meeting. let's continue those. call item 14, approving minute of the october 11th meeting with the exception of hursh not being on the board why the and director nuru absent. everybody else was here. >> move approval. >> second. [roll call] item 1