the ones that i showed just a moment ago, these are the hundreds that hang over lippard avenue. if they go out, they're going to reach across the street, and take out the power and at&t and cable service for the entire block. these are occlusions over my uphill neighbor's property, the neighbor who's complained about taking this tree out. if this tree fails, they're going to take out part of his house. you can see the lines across the street where if any of these branchs fail, it will take out neighborhood services. so ultimately, we're appealing to this board in asking for some consideration for the fact that we love this tree, we've maintained it for many years, but it's a nonwinning battle for us to continue to prune branchs when in fact the roots and the trunk of the tree are what's going to prevent us from being able to access the property. thank you very much. >> commissioner honda: so sir how long have you been at the property? >> 18 years. >> commissioner honda: and in the 18 years that you've been there, how significantly has this tree grown? >> you know, i have -- had,