cole" commanders kirk lippold. friend of the show.referee this battle. where do you fall. >> good morning, brian. when i look at and it i listen to what secretary spencer says, number one, you have a commander-in-chief that made the decision in the chain of command sought to undermine it from the beginning. when you look at what secretary spencer did, it, in fact, lacks integrity and ethics. when you try to take and create this sham of a review board, go over the chain of commands secretary of defense directly to the white house and say, look, we will hold this board, but we will come to a preordained conclusion. that way we can have a veneer for the american people that we're enforcing good order and discipline. by the same token, he will get to keep his trident. that lacks ethics. at the end of the day, when lives are at stake, we need military leadership on both the military and political side that has integrity. that was lacking in this case and for that alone. i think secretary spencer should have been fired. steve: and secretary