ceremony all the same rules the same control of thought body and soul earlier we sat down with lisa cohen author of the book to the moon and back about her experience growing up in the unification church and what her taught what it taught her about extremist cults like the unification church and can make even the most independent people lose themselves. so i want to start there just ask you how did you. know it's probably a complicated question but how did you become a ball in the unification church and how long were you. involved in the church or to so the 1st part's not complicated i got involved when i was 10 years old in 1904 my mom my mom went to hear everyone speak in january of 174 and then in june in 1074 she went up to a workshop at belvedere a baritone one of their church places churches states and she went up and back and up and back and then took us up somewhere in july and we were in so i was in it 10 years old 174 the how long is a little bit more complicated because some people leave and they leave on a specific date and my brother like to say i just kind of drifted away an