that was critical, and that gives us a little more oxygen. >> nawaz: lisa curtis, what about you?ar from the president? did anything surprise you? and particularly the strong pledge to retaliate, to go after whoever is behind today's attacks. >> yeah. the president was very resolute. as you said, he committed to hunting down the perpetrators of the attack. and he committed to finishing the evacuation. and that did surprise me. i thought that he might speed up the evacuation process or just shut it down, quite frankly. because i think the reason he has been so adamant about sticking to the august 31st deadline for withdrawing u.s. troops because he feared such an attack as we saw today. but now that it has happened, i think, you know, he knows that we need to, you know, hunt down the perpetrators and we need to continue the mission. we can't be cowed down by the terrorists. he was very clear about that. and he was clear he is listening to his military advisors. we know that he hadn't listened to his military advisors about the drawdown decision, drawing down to zero, but he was ver

role and what to do now, with lisa curtis.as senior director for south and central asia during the trump administration. she's focused on that part of the world since the 1990s when she was a c.i.a. analyst, and served in the u.s. embassies in pakistan and india. she is now a senior fellow at the center for a new american security. and we're also joined by retired colonel andrew bacevich; he is a historian, and the president of the quincy institute. he's written extensively about america's role in the world. thank you both very much for being here. i know you heard the ambassador just there. lisa curtis, to you first, e is clearly saying she feels the united states has abandoned afghanistan, and that is what we are seeing unfold before our eyes. is that your assessment of c test are abandoning the afghans. i think the narrative a couple of weeks ago was that we were continuing our financial assistance, our humanitarian assistance, that we would, you knowstand by the afghans. but now that we're seeing this routing of the afghan

lisa curtis come to you first. the ambassador feels the u.s.banded afghanistan -- has abandoned afghanistan. is that your assessment of it? lisa: unfortunately, it does look like we are abandoning the afghans. the narrative was we were continuing financial, humanitarian assistance, that we would stand by the afghans, but now we are seeing this routing of the afghan government and the taliban taking control of the country much more quickly th anybody expected, there is a sense that the afghans feel completely abandoned. i do't think anybody expected the taliban would be taking over this quickly, but there are immediate things that the u.s. can do. of course we have to evacuate those u.s. citizens who are in danger, and we are doing that, but we also need to evaluate the thousands of afghan supporting the u.s., civil society leaders, people with targets on the back because of their cooperation with us, so the u.s. has a moral responsibility to evacuate those people. we need to galvanize the international community to prevent a humanitarian castor

. >>> i want to bring in lisa curtis now. she is a former-cia analyst who was a senior national security council official during the trump administration. she's now director of the indo-pacific security program at the center for a new american security. it's good to see you, again. around for a few years now. t do you kunar province. but the u.s. and afghan forces were able to beat -- beat back that base in 2018. however, isis-k maintained capabilities to attack in kabul. and we've seen several major attacks by isis-k, primarily against the hazara shia community. this is a minority community in afghanistan. but yes, they unfortunately remain very capable of conducting these -- um -- major suicide bombings in kabul. >> yeah. they've done some horrendous attacks over the years. i'm curious your thought on, you know, what -- what are terror groups, the taliban, al qaeda, isis, but others too, what are they making of all of this? not just thursday's explosion but how the u.s. is leaving afghanistan? one analyst told me jihadists

lisa curtis, thank you so much for taking us inside the room. how we got here. and where we may go from here. thank you. >> uh-huh. >>> all right. so many heroes who have helped protect us are stuck in afghanistan right now. citizens, interpreters. now, we've been introducing you to them to kind of get some sense of the urgency. the connection. why we should care. one of them just threw me for a huge loop. you remember, last night i introduced you to ismail? >> i split my family in four different location to make sure they are safe. and i am trying everything to help them out not only my family, every single family that -- that are in afghanistan and begging for help. >> so i have an update for you on the former interpreter that you just were listening to there for our forces. he's doing something that i advised not to, and i am shocked by. next. [sfx: psst psst] allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good ♪ ok, got everything ready. got the rental.

lisa curtis who helped facilitate trump's taliban deal joins me now. it is good to have you. and then we hear from a reporter on the ground that isis-k members may be insinuated into the taliban and that it is not as much of an situation as suggested, what do you think. >> i think isis-k and taliban are opposed to one another. we know that. isis-k is a break away from al qaeda, and in about 2015, they came on the scene in afghanistan. when we talk about the k, it's khorasan, khorasan province, which is an islamist reference to the region, to afghanistan, iran, spakistan, when they came on the scene in 2015 they set up shop in kunar province. u.s. and afghan forces were able to beat back that base in eastern afghanistan. however, isis-k remained capable in kabul, and they have conducted numerous attacks against in particular, the hazar a-shia minority in afghanistan. so they certainly have different goals than the taliban, and they are opposed to each other. now, that's not to say that isis-k might draw from taliban or herkani network elements. >> explain to people what the ne

the fellow and senior director -- lisa curtis is the fellow and senior rector of the indus security program here. she served 4000 central asia and participated in the negotiations with the taliban. -- 4s -- four -- for thousands intro asia and participated in the negotiations with the taliban. congressman moulton, maybe i can start with you. what is your understanding of where things stand now? second, how did we get here? rep. moulton: richard, thank you very much for having me. it is good to be back. there cannot be a more timely moment to discuss what is happening now in afghanistan. i said for a long time now that we are not going to win the war in afghanistan, but there are devastating ways we can lose. we see several of those unfolding before us today. the idea that we would part afghanistan in chaos -- depart afghanistan in chaos and leaves so many allies behind goes against all our values and the promises that people like myself made on the ground people in places like iraq and afghanistan when we asked them to trust us, to work with us. we knew they were risking our lives, putting

and lisa curtis was a senior director for south andentral asia on the national security council staffthe trump administration. she was a cia analyst in the 1990's, and served in u.s. embassies in pakistan and india. she's now a senior fellow at the center for a new american security. thanks and welcome to you both. colonel jason, i want to start with you and get reaction from remarks by the president and saying he does not regret doing what he has done and evacuating, staying these extra days, but he is sticking to the august 31 deadline. col. jason: thank you for the opportunity. working at this nonprofit group of veterans right now doing our best to connect and get our allies out and facilitate the evacuation, what i looked for tonight in the remarks from earlier, general mckenzie and the president, was a commitment to finish the mission, or at least keep going. after today's attack, that is what i was looking for. we got at least five more days and we can put more people on airplanes. that was critica that gives us more oxygen. amna: lisa, did anything surprise you? particularly th

and joining us tonight, lisa curtis, the former national security senior director for south and centralyeah. to all of you thanks for joining us. another terror attack the white house says is likely. these next few days will be the most dangerous period to date. so what are they bracing for exactly. >> so more of the same. so the perimeter has been expanded. that makes it more difficult. a truck bomb. a mortar attack, rocket attack. and as these forces are drawn down, who knows? maybe even a ground assault by a group of isis-k fighters. you have got to be prepared for any and all of that. and, of course, it is dangerous because once we start to draw down troops, we have less response capability. obviously we're going to do everything we can to put overhead assets there to monitor from the air, to be ready to strike back and defend from the air, but it's not the same as having the troops on the ground. >> yeah. they're also worried about a potential shoulder fired or surface air missile that could take down a plane. ian, a day after the deadly attack yesterday, the pentagon now clarifyin

more recently, lisa curtis, an afghanistan expert who served during the trump administration, has describedan's takeover, mike pompeo has turned to this — telling fox news sunday that the taliban had to engage "in meaningful power—sharing agreement" talks, "before we completed our requirement to fully withdraw." whetherjoe biden found the talks meaningful or not, their progress was not pre—requisite for withdrawal. he would go ahead anyway. and as the taliban advanced throuthune and july, his emphasis was on the afghan government taking responsibility. we gave them every tool they could need. we paid their salaries, provided for the maintenance of their air force, we gave them every chance to determine their own future. but the governmentjoe biden wanted to have the strength and confidence to resist the taliban was the one the americans left outside the negotiating room in doha. it's the government the us didn't tell before leaving bagram airbase in july. perhaps, in the end rather than building confidence, the deal did the reverse for the government — when its relationship with afghans was