>> laura: well, i heard both of you had a run-in with this professional protester, this woman lisa fithianis. >> students of this university are free to stand here in public. public. >> yes, you are. >> we have way more of a right, we have way more of a right to do what we are doing than any of these people have to destroy this building. >> no one is destroying a building. building. >> i beg to differ. people broke in the windows with the intention of taking the building. so they can take the university hostage. hostage. >> do you know what? i'm glad to be here, rory. >> laura: okay. rory, or charles i guess now. we are going to be talk more about her in a element no. how did this lisa introduce herself to you? did she tell you that she was a protester, charles? >> she claimed that she actually was. was just there to make sure that no one got hurt and was just there to ensure that, you know, people sort of stayed out of the way who shouldn't have been in the way. she actually tried to sort of present herself as more of a moderating character who was there to just sort of, i don't know, ens