shafer: lisa, it's different for east palo alto. gauthier: it's different for east palo alto because we, although we're in silicon valley, we don't really benefit from the companies. growth is happening outside of east palo alto. part of that, you know we can't develop because of the lack of water. that's something that we face in our community right now. but as i look and i see all the different cities i see cranes going up and development actually happening but we're not experiencing that right now. shafer: but you are seeing the property values go up. gauthier: the property -- we are benefiting from the property values. yes, indeed. shafer: and are you seeing -- we talked about the diversity of silicon valley and all of your cities. and palo alto, historically, was a primarily african-american city. now it's 65% latino. to what extent are you seeing that beginning to change? gauthier: that's the part of the beauty of being in east palo alto. we've always been a multicultural. we've grown to this multicultural community and that's the beau