. >> his boss epa administrator lisa jackson accepted his resignation saying his views were not shared by the president who p had appointed him. >> they don't come port with the administration's policy on energy. >> but fox news has been told this was not the only time he openly threatened companies he regulated. >> he appeared before the oklahoma independent petroleum association. what happened? >> they told the group straight on. >> boiling gas exploration company. he reported chairman of the romney campaign's advisory group. >> they got it quick that they ought to shut us down. >> he made it clear oil and gas industry was the enemy. >> we saw it that way. >> before joining he taught engineering at southern methodist university in dallas. he also advised environmental groups in their battle against something called fractioning or fracking enjiinjecting chemicalr below ground to uncover oil and gas. it's created a bonanza. many say it pollutes air land and water a claim most famously advanced in the oscar nominated documentary gas land? it made a point it was peepibee out of a kitchen

. >> his boss epa administrator lisa jackson accepted his resignation saying his views were not shared by the president who p had appointed him. >> they don't come port with the administration's policy on energy. >> but fox news has been told this was not the only time he openly threatened companies he regulated. >> he appeared before the oklahoma independent petroleum association. what happened? >> they told the group straight on. >> boiling gas exploration company. he reported chairman of the romney campaign's advisory group. >> they got it quick that they ought to shut us down. >> he made it clear oil and gas industry was the enemy. >> we saw it that way. >> before joining he taught engineering at southern methodist university in dallas. he also advised environmental groups in their battle against something called fractioning or fracking enjiinjecting chemicalr below ground to uncover oil and gas. it's created a bonanza. many say it pollutes air land and water a claim most famously advanced in the oscar nominated documentary gas land? it made a point it was peepibee out of a kitchen

. >> the boss lisa jackson accepted his resignation saying his views were not shared by the president who had appointed him. >> they don't come port with this administration's policy on energy. >> fox news learned it was not the only time armaderas openly threatened companies he regulateded. >> he appeared from the oklahoma petroleum association. what happened? >> he told the group straight on we are going to use everything in the book to come after you. >> harold han is ceo of cont then shalrie sources and employment company. he was recently appointed chairman of the romney campaign energy policy advisory group. >> we got it quick then. frankly they ought to shut us down. >> he made it clear oil and gas industry was the enemy. >> well, we started to look at it this way. >> there is more. before joining the obama administration he taught engineering at southern methodist university in dallas and also advised environmental groups in their battle against something called hydraulic fracturing the technique in water and chemicals far below ground to ex tact unrecoverable oil and gas. it c

and i suppose the quote from lisa jackson, the head of the epa, who was on record as saying accordingdge of one case of water contamination. if you have a situation -- we have a situation right now in the united states where there are millions of fracked wells across the country. this has been going on for a very, very long time. it's not something new. we've seen what happens -- nothing happens. there are no cases of water contamination. as you said yourself, fareed, it's an extraordinary ability now for america to extract this oil and gas and become energy independent. it's amazing for america. >> how do you respond to that? there has been a lot of fracking going on, hasn't there? >> there has. science just is not as certain as we've just heard. the fracking process has been developed in various forms over the last 50 years or so, but nothing at all like it is today, not in terms of the volume, the type of chemicals, the slick water fracturing, horizontal drilling. really this is just something that's come about in the last ten years at best. and the other thing that's dramatically

do you want to take a chance that the epa under barack obama and lisa jackson will just put a clamp on this thing? do you want to take a chance on this thing? >> it won't be down to me, fortunately, jack, because i'm british. but what i can say is wouldn't it be ironic? wouldn't it be a devastating irony for mitt romney if what costs him the election in the end, if what costs him the is the one op-ed piece he said about detroit saying -- >> adon't you dare say that. >> that was the headline. >> written by the nrkts. his mistake was putting a very thoughtful article into "the new york times" because they write the headline. what he talked about there which the president denied him the other night and said he didn't say that. he said let the company go through a chapter 11, the government would back up the dip financing. you wouldn't spend $50 billion of taxpayer money. you'd get the same result, but you'd have a -- >> here's the thing, jack. you're a smart business guy. so you understand all the subtle nuances of chapter 11 and so on. the people in places like ohio, which could be the c

that's the real -- senator kole and i met with epa secretary lisa jackson and ujed for more time. i hear a lot of my opponent about his time in the '80s and '90s but the truth is he's been a partner at one of the most lobbying firms in washington. fighting for the very powerful interest. i think we can continue this investigation in the next segment. as we said at the start during part of the debate the candidates are on their own pressing one another on the issue. charles and i step out of the away. >> moderator: we are going 0 to sit on our hands. the idea is to get the candidates to provide nor detail, provide more interaction. go at it. baldwin: these unmoderated segments run about six minutes. and we're not kidding charles and are i not involved. >> moderator: we turn them loose now on the question of how 0 to growth the economy and with it jobs. there's no distribution on who speaks first or last. we won't runny interference. the floor is yours. baldwin: let me entrepreneur in. wisconsin is the state that makes things, shifts, papers, tools, engines. and manufacturing has ta

we have had guests including lisa jackson on to talk about it. could talk about it -- find that on c-span video library at c-span.org. thank you for coming in, bob dean. the author of his latest book "reckless." he is senior adviser at the national resources defense council action fund. coming next, our your money segment looks at public funding for public health and dealing with public health emergencies. first, a news update from c-span radio. >> laurence pope, the new u.s. envoy to tripoli, liberally -- libya and his first remarks says the u.s. would continue "on the continue on the path" of chris stevens who was killed in a terrorist attack. he went on to say the u.s. is determined to bring to justice the perpetrators of that attack. the incident has triggered a debate in washington over whether the visitor -- ambassador and mission were given sufficient protection. turning to the economy, the commerce department says retail sales rose sharply in december, reflecting higher consumer confidence and improve and the job market. consumers bought

senator kohl and i met with lisa jackson and urged for more time.nent about his time in the 1980's and the governor's mansion, but for the last seven years he has been a partner at one of the most part -- powerful lobbying firms and washington. >> i think we can continue this conversation in our next segment. as we start -- said at the start, during parts of the debate, the candidates press each other on these issues. meanwhile, we step out of the way. >> we will sit on our hands. the idea is to get the candidates to be more interactive. these on moderated segments run six minutes. we are not kidding -- charles and i are not involved. we turn them loose on this question on how to grow the economy and jobs. there is no direction on who speaks first or less. we will not run interference. the floor is yours. >> wisconsin is a state that makes things -- ships, paper, tools engines. and manufacturing has taken a hit in recent years. it is why i championed bipartisan legislation are referred to earlier, to level the playing field, to crack down on china's

eight years of lisa jackson at the epa is something to be really concerned about.ng the whole country and somebody would write a bill says you can't have right to work. >> say romney wins, how quickly, in your estimation, do things turn around? what happens? what is the shift? to the extent, can you impact any of this? >> that's the caveat i was going to give you. >> i think whoever is elected president in a month from now, they will have to do major, major stuff. obviously you got two different ideologies, and i think if romney were elected, he's going to have to do major stuff, absorb major pain, but hopefully create a base from which the country can grow again. i don't think increasing meld i care is going to increase the growth rate of the country, and create more jobs, as an example. >> flip it around. if you take some of those things away, there is an argument to be made, and maybe you don't agree with it, there's going to be some pain at least in the short term. what does that do to the economy, in your views on where we ultimately go? >> i basically think t

in our state in march of 2011 after being sworn in, lisa jackson came in, issued a letter to the stateficials say and we're going to disregard your plan and force a federal plan in oklahoma that would cost utility companies to to 2.5 billion over a three-year period driving utility reached 15 to 20% in three years. that's where federal but some matters when you see utility rates for consumers and the state which is a primary function of myself, general gansler as we regulate the utility space, when you allow the fed to come in consistent in the clean air act to this place a plan that drives the rates of to that degree and a three year period it is our responsibility as an attorney general to do something about what to take action, which we did come in and the focus actually agreed with our position to stay and the epa enforcement while we'll litigate the case in oklahoma city. the point is, general baker, these areas of energy there's an attitude that permeates the agency right now that i think is less regulator and more punitive perhaps and we can address that later but it is an issue

senator kohl and i met with lisa jackson and urged for more time. i hear from my opponent about his time in the 1980's and the governor's mansion, but for the last seven years he has been a partner at one of the most part -- powerful lobbying firms and washington. >> i think we can continue this conversation in our next segment. as we start -- said at the start, during parts of the debate, the candidates press each other on these issues. meanwhile, we step out of the way. >> we will sit on our hands. the idea is to get the candidates to be more interactive. these on moderated segments run six minutes. we are not kidding -- charles and i are not involved. we turn them loose on this question on how to grow the economy and jobs. there is no direction on who speaks first or less. we will not run interference. the floor is yours. >> wisconsin is a state that makes things -- ships, paper, tools engines. and manufacturing has taken a hit in recent years. it is why i championed bipartisan legislation are referred to earlier, to level the playing field, to c

. >> narrator: jackson is 5'2" tall and weighs 125 pounds. she goes by the names nesha howard and lisa of tattoos. matthew segal says that, as a fugitive, jackson has a few character traits that may, for a time, serve her well. >> neisha jackson is good at changing her appearance. she's smart, and she's good at seeming to be somebody that she's not. but, at most, that's just gonna earn her some time where she has to look over her shoulder, wondering if the feds are right behind her. >> narrator: up next on "american greed: the fugitives," an alleged dot-com scammer is said to bring in millions using a celebrity pitchman and the promise of internet riches. >> it's an i.r.a.-approved investment that puts you exactly where you want to be -- on the ground floor, with nowhere to go but up. ground floor, with nowhere to go but up. [ tires screech ] >> narrator: 2011, on the coast of malaysia, a man named jim eberhart posts an online ad selling his 58-foot yacht -- the infinity. allegedly, no stranger to making a sales pitch, eberhart tells prospective buyers the boat is perfect for cruising