if we do, lady victoria harvey and lisa mckenzie . ben, do you think mckenzie.ever stop the boats ? >> 7. >>i ? >> i thought. i thought if they will. but i do think that that that rishi will call a general election . and i think that this election. and i think that this is not the time for infighting in the conservative. >> so you predict a sort of snap, stop, stop the boats election. yes. a single issue election. yes. a single issue election . election. >> yes, i think so . election. >> yes, i think so. i think he'll do it because i think that he's just saying, listen, guys, we can't afford to fall apart at this time right now. you >> yeah. i wonder lady victoria harvey whether presents harvey whether this presents rishi with an opportunity. rishi sunak with an opportunity. he's down in the polls. it looks like almost certain defeat. could this be the one issue that saves him? well i just. >> what i don't understand is like, can they not just stop like, why can they not just stop the boats from coming so we don't have to actually send people back to other count

lisa mckenzie makes of that.unsuccessful fault if this is an unsuccessful super court ruling on wednesday . super court ruling on wednesday. >> no, it's not all of susan suella braverman fault , but this suella braverman fault, but this is one of her. you know, she's become the poster woman , um, for become the poster woman, um, for these sort of right wing . and i these sort of right wing. and i would say they're quite extreme . would say they're quite extreme. um, actually, these extreme right wing policies over the last couple of weeks , you know, last couple of weeks, you know, and i know that we've talked about it on this program many, many times is suella braverman a sort of pushing herself fonnard as this sort of champion of the right and out in the country? you know, people are hearing that, you know, the hate marches last week took the life style of homeless people to live in tents . and then this we you know, there is a serious challenge as oppose to suella braverman's plan as home secretary. and i thin

david oldroyd bolt and also lisa mckenzie. also academic lisa mckenzie.ove on. there's lot more still to come there's a lot more still to come between 6:00, including between now and 6:00, including i'll look at the controversial new about the royal family new book about the royal family written by harry and meghan's favourite which favourite journalist, which has been ludicrous been slammed as ludicrous propaganda for the sussexes. but first, let's go to your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> hello there. the headlines this hour. all 41 workers who've been trapped in a collapsed tunnelin been trapped in a collapsed tunnel in india have been brought to the surface after 17 days trapped underground . and days trapped underground. and rescuers broke through rocks and debns rescuers broke through rocks and debris to reach the crew who are currently on their way to field hospitals for medical checks . hospitals for medical checks. the rescue mission involved extracting the workers one at a time on a stretcher pulled through a pipe

plus, academic and ethnographer lisa mckenzie. welcome both. thank you very much.l start with you. is it right to just label people far right? i mean, was there some truth to that ? well i will tell you, just that? well i will tell you, just look, is it the part of the police commissioner to give marks out of ten and to give his opinion on the political views of different people, especially when people weren't involved ? when people weren't involved? >> i'd like the irish state. i would i would argue is incredibly authoritarian . this incredibly authoritarian. this is a state which is looking to introduce anti—free speech laws at the minute, even though there's libel laws and the laws against incitement to violence, etcetera, already on the books . etcetera, already on the books. and secondly, this is a government which only two and a half years ago was in like draconian law lockdown laws which imposed restrictions on travel and going to work and seeing your family on many, many people. so i would say, look, they want to shut down the debate. they know they have no

well, i'm joined now by academic and ethnographer lisa mckenzie , and ethnographer lisa mckenzie, writerrds. i'm going to start with dr. raqib hasan, i'll start with dr. raqib hasan, i'll start with dr. raqib hasan, i'll start with you , rookie. what are start with you, rookie. what are your thoughts ? of course, we've your thoughts? of course, we've had armistice day, which was yesterday. it feared that it was somewhat disrespected in the fact that the pro—palestinian march took place on that day. do you feel that we're at risk of losing our national identity? >> well, i'd say i'm still pretty optimistic . pretty optimistic. >> nana if you look at a number of surveys across a variety of ethnic and religious groups , ethnic and religious groups, it's still the majority would say that their british identity is important to their personal identity . they do attach identity. they do attach importance to their britishness. >> i would say, though , is that >> i would say, though, is that there's no room for complacency . there's no room for complacency. >> see, i've talked a great deal about

let's talk to editor in chief of majesty magazine, ingrid seward, and ethnographer and academic lisa mckenziepecialism. um, and he he he doesn't really represent , specialism. um, and he he he doesn't really represent, um, you know, 99.9% of the people that live in the uk, you know, he has no concept of what it's like to live in a cold house or to have to turn your heating off or and he's got no concept of the real pressures that are faced in, you know, this nation . faced in, you know, this nation. so i'm not sure why is he there. he's just a figurehead doing nothing. >> well , people nothing. >> well, people could nothing. >> well , people could say it's >> well, people could say it's because he has a big platform, because he has a big platform, because he has a big platform, because he cares passionately about the issue. and others might even say he does have experience of living in extremely cold properties. ingnd extremely cold properties. ingrid what do you say about it? all good morning. well, the king is our head of state. >> good morning. good morning. the king is our head of state.