lisa meyers, cut to the chase. >> imagine, if you can, what would have happened if this fact came out in september 2012 in the middle of a presidential election. the terrain would have looked at the different. >> i'm not following. meanwhile, other outrageous outrage that is outrageous, the executive in charge of the tax exempt division, sarah hall-ingram, three names, was promoted to run the irs office responsible for obama care. we can agree that's the greatest thing ever. speaking of bad situations, look what happened to my cousin carl this week. this is still carl. he did this last week. that's how you found me. >> exactly. >> now we have a carl. don't take my job, carl. >> carl's the new repulsive side kick. this is a big question and a serious question. would we have a president mitt if this scandal had happened in september? my source, which is my mouth, says yes. >> first of all, let me say congratulations to lisa meyers for even raising that question. what's she still doing at that network? she's a great reporter. i think this is a campaign story. it's about winning the elect

. >> nbc news correspondent lisa meyers.dal, but i would love for to you jump in and with your take on the story. >> i totally agree with what karl said. this is extraordinary. it's never good if you are an administration and your name appears twice in the same week. this is what happened with the obama administration. i think critics would say their prosecution of leaks is selective. they didn't have that much problem when detailed leaked about the raid on the compound of osama bin laden, but they pursued leaks in other cases. the chairman of the judiciary, democrat patrick leahy questioned whether the administration really could have met the threshold required to obtain this kind of sweeping subpoena of information. he said he was trouble and he wants specifics from the government on what they had that merited such an overly broad action. >> from that we go to this story about the irs despite greg calls for don dem nation. he addressed the agency's with the word tea peard in the game and others. the president came out sayi

i guess that's a question, lisa meyers, are we going to see issa go after her and bring her in and have waived her right? >> chairman ie s >> chairman isaid -- for no reason other than to make the fifth if you call her in again and again and again, republicans could be accused of overreaching. i think what lois lerner did yesterday is make her herself the face of the scan d.a. the "washington post" had given her four pinocchios which is their worst rating as far as credibility. we learned the irs had far more information about this targeting a year ago than they have let on. in addition, we learned two things. we learned a manager from washington, holly paz was in the -- many of the interviews that the ig did with folks in cincinnati. is so she knew the testimony about the targeting before it came out in the ig report. secondly the irs did an internal investigation about a year ago and found tluz there was targeting. the last year when they told congress nothing they had more information than they claim to have have had. >> looking at the "washington post" today this is where white hous