i'm now joined by lisa miller, professor of psychology and education at columbia university, and also the awakened brain, the psychology of spirituality and our search for meaning. we say it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time and i'm delighted to be here in particular in conversation with you. i am one of your fans. well, so am i. well, i'm still in the process of relishing in your new book. i think it's the main takeaway becomes pretty avid them from different pages. you're arguing that spirituality is a hard wired capacity in every human being, whether we believe in it or not, it is there and it shows up on the m r i scans. it shows up in behavioral patterns . i, you essentially saying that the workings always sold, the workings of a spirit biologically, have to go in the human body precisely. so every single one of us on day one is born and innately spiritual being. we know that in science through the lens of the twin study, we look at twins, raised together twins, friends to part and factor out the degree of commonality as a function of shared g and shared e

you need to protect yourself and get in for guys with with mm welcome back to wells fargo with lisa miller, professor of psychology and education at columbia university, and also the weight can drain the psychologist, spirituality, and research. for many, listen before the break we were talking about the difference between spirituality and religion, organized religion and has been more than a 100 years since frederick need shape proclaimed that god is that implying demise, organized religion. and i think the need for establishing building a very chilled temples within our own souls. but as his own biography shows that could be very challenging. even though we all have the spiritual is thing. even though we all have the sort of the biological infrastructure for a connection to personal connection with the divine, can everyone do it on his or her own without the help of a religious community without how the less a family, every single one of us has been down it of a spiritual brain and i travel that, you know, the world people will say one of 2 things very often. either say i am a deeply spi

science with a capital ass and the divine indeed so incompatible to discuss that i am now joined by lisa miller, professor of psychology and education at columbia university, and also the awakened brain, the psychology of spirituality and our search for meaning. we say it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time and i'm delighted to be here in particular in conversation with you. i am one of your fans. well, so am i. well, i'm still in the process of relishing in your new book. i think it's main takeaway becomes pretty avid and some different pages. you're arguing that spirituality is a hard wired capacity in every human being, whether we believe in it or not. it is there and it shows up on the m r i scans it shows up in behavioral patterns i you essentially saying that they're working on the soul, the workings of a spirit.

miller's villa university in lancaster, where she met her other family. where you are like sisters? >> yeah. >> absolutely. >> christie's circle included that roommate -- lisaarianne taylor. >> we shared clothes, we shared hair products. we shared everything. i don't think there's anything about each other that we don't know. that's such a rare friendship. >> when it came to christy, her friends knew that she could hold her own. especially, when they go out. if >> somebody came up, and she wasn't interested. she had no problem telling people, hit the road, i'm not interested. >> she was also protective for friends. when they graduated, a few of them set up house in that apartment complex, just outside downtown lancaster. >> kristie was always a very safe person, like lock your doors, always lead with a buddy. >> we did feel safe. there was no time -- >> our bark yard was an amish form. it was a dairy farm. >> by then, christy had already landed her dream job, as a teacher. here she is, leading a sixth grade class in science. >> these are the ways we classify any type of animal. >> harry goodman saw something special in her. >> she wasn't satisfied with just