however, what her problem was was the jeff girth with the new york times and chris and jackie jude, lisa myersnbc, those were the members of the vast right-wing conspiracy, true investigative journalist, the men and women who were true investigative journalist back in the '90s, i wish we had them back today to invest in the investigations. they stood tall and won awards for their investigative journalism. >> your point -- part of the vast right wing conspiracy, the sexual acquisitions against president clinton made by flowers and -- >> sure. >> that wasn't all made up. >> l.d. brown and other arkansas state troopers, they have a problem because it's always with reliable sources. it was the police officers, the men and women of the secret service. >> and whenever you run for president, there is a bunch of people that want to tear you down and media circles, that circle around you or against you. listen, were you interested to see how much they disliked don imas? >> look, they disliked a lot of people who had microphones. and this internet thing, which clearly, 20 years later is a big problem fo