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lisa nandy welcome to political thinking. hello.eel being a political spectator in effect at this extraordinary time of political crisis? i mean, i probably shouldn't say this. it's not good to start a podcast, is it, by saying, i shouldn't say this, but, you know, in some ways it's sort of quite a relief for it not to be labour at the centre of all the drama. we've had huge amounts of political upheaval on our own side and you know, us being the party that isn't going through that, that is unified, is and looking out to the country is a good place to be. but when you park the politics, which of course, we'll get to in a second, do you also watch open mouthed and think, my goodness, how is this happening? a bit, actually. yeah. so we've got used to lots of political drama in the last few years and it's almost become the norm. but there's something really extraordinary about what's happening to the conservative party at the moment. when borisjohnson fell, i was sitting on a bus in berlin. we'd gone over there to look at what was happ