. >> lisa nandy. >> lisa nandy. >> yeah, well, it was. >> yeah, well, it was it was.you know, all the , you know, i said the slurs that, you know, i said on x and all the social platforms that's out of order, i'm afraid . look, i'm just sick i'm afraid. look, i'm just sick that now we all feel like silence and intimidated if we speak out about this. it's not fair. women's rights are being erased , and i want to feel safe erased, and i want to feel safe if i'm in a changing room and not have to worry if that there is. just, say, a man with a dress on saying they're a woman. it's not right. >> well, see, that's the thing, pam. this is the thing, pam, we can't say to someone, oh, how far have you gone along in the transition and all that? so that means that dresses and means that a man who dresses and appears a woman , as in appears to be a woman, as in with external appearance, with his external appearance, can enter those single—sex spaces and, you know, i spoke to somebody who is a transgender woman, and i said i was talking about single—sex spaces and she said, oh, w