msnbc legal analyst, lisa reuben. it is good to see you all. lisa, what is pence's testimony signal about the timeline of this investigation? >> i think there toward the end, alicia, of the investigation. because traditionally, prosecutors work up the food chain with respect to the importance of witnesses. not always, but typically. and there is no one higher on the food chain, with respect to proximity the president, then mike pence himself. obviously, the so-called, dwarfs, who are subject to in order to testify that includes mark meadows, but between the two of, them i can think of anyone more senior that could be before the grand jury than pence and meadows. >> the timing of this, lisa, is so critical. of course, the goal of the special counsel was to insulate this investigation from politics. high bar to clear. what are the challenges for jack smith, and for a. g. garland, as they juggle charging decisions against the backdrop of a gop primary calendar? >> well, certainly, alicia, as you noted, against the backdrop of a gop primary calendar

joining me now, msnbc legal analyst, lisa reuben, who is in the courthouse on thursday. nto this. tell me what struck you most about the day, lisa. what were your biggest takeaways? >> my biggest takeaways were twofold, alex. one is how retro daca pena's defense appears to be, and the second is what quite dignity e. jean carroll has, even in some of the -- we'll start with tacopina if we can. the defense strategy here is e. jean carroll's making this up. she wants money, she wants fame, and she hated trump for political reasons echoed by her two friends that she told, at the time. -- three of them were in a conspiracy to destroy trump. but, even if you were to believe her story, and that she is not motivated by those things, he's asking the jury to ask themselves, did she behave both in the moment and afterwards the way we think real rape victims behave? that relies on a bunch of tropes, real vic victims scream, they call the police, real rape victims go to the doctor, they seek therapy, and real vape victims come forward, none of which e. jean carroll did. and all of whi

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in every state in the united states all across the country joining me now is nbc legal analyst lisa reuben, along with the president of naral pro choice america we are waiting for them right now, but i want to let you know we're following both of these two stories so we will have the speech that we know vice president kamala harris gave at this university in tennessee, that was happening while we were waiting to come on the air, and this ruling came down just a moment ago let me tell you a little bit about this judge in his writings, matthew kacsmaryk out of texas has described being transgender as a mental disorder. he's called homosexuality disordered he has had sexual revolutionaries have made the unborn child and marriage secondary tothe desires of liberated adults he sided with a christian father that anyone under the age of 18 in the state of texas needs approval by their parent before getting birth control. he is a university of texas law school graduate who has focused his attention on the legal foundations for aborgtion right. he attended federalist society meetings along with rep

can't move them either, his hands are tied and his wealth is beyond his control. >> oh, boy okay lisa reuben, there's going to be a lot to talk about on this one. we'll have you back soon thank you for that. >>> also coming up, breaking news out of san francisco where a suspect in the fatal stabbing of tech executive bob lee is now under arrest we're minutes away from a press conference there we'll bring you the details as we get them. >>> first, jury selection is underway in dominion's defamation trial against fox news, and now we know what the questions e thjury was asked we'll give you those breaking details next that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open. a ballet studio, an architecture firm... and homemade barbeque sauce. they're called 'small businesses.' but to the people who build them there's nothing 'small' about them. that's why at t-mobile for business... you'll save more than $1,000 versus verizon. and with price lock guarantee, we'll never raise your rate

they will take that to the supreme court, and look fo some guidance from the court o this >> lisa reuben, our msnbc lega analyst, thank you so much for getting us started i want to bring in congresswoman ayanna pressle of massachusetts, she is chair of the house abortion rights and accessed task force. congresswoman, good to see you you call the texas ruling, quote, a devastating threat to millions of people tell me more about the rea life stakes, the consequences, of what we're watching haven't >> well, this is a matter of life and death i am just sick and tired of ol white men in the gop misleadin the american people, working actively to overturn the wil of the majority of the people, to strip away our fundamenta rights health care is a fundamental right, and abortion care i health care. and that's why myself, and anti-abortion rights activists and politicians, will not stop in the face of these attacks that's why myself and others we see this coordinated attack by anti-abortion right activists and elected officials, they are stopping at nothing after they overturned roe, wha they real

this finding controversy a said that. >> lisa reuben, always appreciative of your brilliant legal mindtrying to make sense of it. thanks so much, we appreciat it still to come, tucker carlso it is fox news colleagues coul be headed to the witness stand but why do you think the defamation trial against fox began today as scheduled that's next. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on... ♪ [coughing] ♪ ...by, you know how i feel. ♪ if you're tired of staring down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, ♪ ♪ it's a new day... ♪ ...stop settling. ♪ ...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function, and helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your r

joining me now are the president of the naral pro choice america and lisa reuben, msnbc legal analyst. lisa, i want you to go through this decision with me, because and i think ari talked about it in the previous hour what i read here is something that reads like shade. this decision talking about in recent cases the court has been lambasted for staying a district court order based on the scanty review this court gives matters on its shadow docket this opening with lots of criticism of people who have been critical of the court, is that normal? and what do you make of it >> this is a court that isn't getting along particularly well, joy, so you're asking me, is this normal? it hasn't been normal up through the trump presidency, and yet, we now have nine justices that are largely at each other's throats and defying the collegiality that has defined the supreme court. but you're right to say justice alito is indeed casting shade and criticizing folks like justice kagan who have been critical of the court for mapping on its policy preferences to a number of different things through decis

this finding controversy a said that. >> lisa reuben, always appreciative of your brilliant legal mind to make sense of it. thanks so much, we appreciat it still to come, tucker carlso it is fox news colleagues coul be headed to the witness stand but why do you think the defamation trial against fox began today as scheduled that's next. safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ ♪ the vehicles are all-electric. the feeling is all mercedes. the choice is all yours. love you. have a good day, behave yourself. like she goes to work at three in the afternoon and sometimes gets off at midnight. she works a lot, a whole lot. we don't get to eat in the early morning. we just wait till we get to the school. so, yeah. right now here in america, millions of kids like victoria and andre live with hunger, and the need to help them has never been greater. when you join your friends, neighbors and me to support no kid hungry, you'll help hungry kids g

msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben was in the courtroom this week, she joins me now. es and analysis about what has been going on in the trial. many of our viewers may have heard a lot about this week. but i want to go right to one thing. about e. jean carroll and the time in which see existed, at the time in which she claims attack took place, she was a prominent writer. people knew who she was. but she is 79 years old today, even at that point, it was uncommon unlikely that women would report sexual assaults and find some satisfaction or justice in it. it is still uncommon in london likely today in 2023. but in the 90s, when she alleged this happened, one can understand, or at least i can understand, i don't know if anyone else can. but we can understand why she wouldn't have screamed to call the police to have done those things. she even said she blames herself. >> absolutely. the amount of self-blaine that e. jean carroll carries is palpable. and ali, to your point, it is not just the time, but generally racially. women were raised to be docile, to not make a scene

attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance, and msnbc legal analyst, lisa reuben i'm going to begin with you, you have been in the courtroom listening to this testimony. one of the things i want to ask you about, donald trump saying he never met carol we have some contrary testimony, sworn testimony from donald trump about that, right? isn't there a photo of e. jean car carol together, and didn't donald trump mistake that person in the photo of his former wife, marla maples you can put that on the screen there's the photo. >> and that photo was shown yesterday and carol's lawyers opening statement, and they made clear to the jury that when donald trump said in the allegedly defamatory statement, she's not my type, he was wrong on two accounts, a, he had met her before, as proven by the photograph, but more importantly at his deposition, as you mentioned, when shown that photo, he testified under oath, that's my wife, yeah, it's marla, meaning marla maples, having already testified that marla maples was exactly his type, and sean ycrowley used tha to devastating effect, i thought in

stepped in, scolded tacopina, and actually dismissed the jury and this and they see lega analyst lisa reuben was in the courtroom, and i want to share her reaction watch this >> joe tacopina was in som instances much gentler tha folks anticipated, but h definitely tried his ver hardest to shake up e. jea carroll. and he really did not. at one point she reclaimed her time, so to speak. he was trying to press her o why she didn't scream, and she altered another of alternative explanations that she tried al for inconsistent reasons for not screaming. and she sort of lost it an said, you do not get to beat m up for not a screaming some women scream, some wome do not he raped me whether or not b screamed >> glenn, how do you think tha played with the jury >> not well, i think joe tacopina is exhibit on demonstrating why sexual assault victims are reluctant. one of the many reasons they are reluctant to come forward. imagine being a sexual assault victim only to have to sit in public courtroom with hundreds of eyes looking at you while somebody calls you a liar. why didn't you react at that i as a